OK Go

Part 1

0:03Hello, good people of the world. This is Damien from OKGo, and I was just telling a story about how we We played the show in Providence, Rhode Island, and there wasn't really a dressing room It was a tiny club Providence for some reason has lost all their good rock clubs. So this was the only place to play And it was like packed and there were no dressing rooms And so we've and I wanted to like change and get ready for the show and everything So we finally got them to let us like into their like back kind of Office beer closet kind of space and we get back there and and there's a little table Not unlike the one we were sitting out here in the dressing room of the horseshoe tavern With like you know single bulb over and everything and there's all these refrigerators around and like carbonation tanks for their beer and stuff like that and There's a dude just sitting at the table like very very clearly on a lot of heroin like the guy was just like kind of like

0:56Weaving around with his head and his eyes with the he'd like kind of flip out at things and then like kind of like a normal I'd again and I sat there for half an hour doing like vocal warm-ups And like I was kind of sick of time so that's like a face steamer thing and a friend was sitting in there with me And the guy didn't even seem to notice that we were there. It was really it was like insane That's weird. I don't think things like that aren't strange to me anymore like like is that a strange story to you? Well, no But what was strange about it was that the guy later turned out to be like a friend of the owner the reason they'd stuck him in there It was like his hell and it's just kind of weird when you're in a club and they're like oh, yeah My friends all smacked out I put him in the background. Yeah, no, it's definitely a weird thing Look having to smack that dude at a club is is scary and weird but not that uncommon But having to be like kind of part of the establishment we go back there later And he's playing cards with the owner and the bouncer and all these other people Oh, and I mean and still apparently all weirded out like I could I can't figure out how he even knew the other people

1:43Were there because he definitely didn't know I was in the room when I was there poor smacked out guy Poor smacked out dude I'm caught up crazy should you see? Oh, man, I've seen I've seen like midgets caught on fire And I've seen that doesn't seem not uncommon to me. Yeah, I get I mean that's that's you know That's sort of that's sort of par for the chorus these days, but you're not supposed to call me just anyway I think it's little people little people I've seen little very little people on you're definitely not supposed to let them on fire either No, you're not part of the reason it's so common I'm surprised to me Tim is what is the one who likes my fight? So that's the problem is it's common around our tour because Tim is letting one fire Right, he's got a problem Tim as you know He's the tallest guy himself and so he's got kind of the small man complex where anybody is small and he is He just wants to really screw with him. Yeah. Yeah, I want to be the start if I'm gonna be small

2:31I want to be the start of the small. Yeah, just sort of eradicates everything smaller Right should seem what he used to do like dogs and cats and something that we got him to stop that and No Be good the animals. That's my motto. Yeah, what it wasn't it wasn't Before I wasn't before I'm 15 or so but now that yeah, Damien Damien's taught me a lot of things in life It must be good to animals take a lot of pride in what I've done for Tim All right, start the show off the song new single do what you want. It's rocks. So gosh darn hard 88.3 Cjiq you just heard okay go do what you want sitting here with Damien and Tim Tory Johansson

6:10Johansson sure pronounce Johansson Mm-hmm. So we're not producer carding its producer you guys work with them. How do you hook up with them? Why in Sweden did you work? He wouldn't come to America. He wouldn't come to America It's really sweet. Yeah, we also didn't really want him to come to America We didn't push him hard because I mean if you had the option of working in LA for two and a half months or in Sweden for two and a half months you'd pick Sweden do unless you're the kind LA has a lot of warmth But but it also has a lot of record industry people and they're terrible for music They're really good. They're good for distributing music. They're good for you know Well, they're good for lots of things. They make great kindling that kind of stuff But they're but they're really bad for for making a good record because what because they come in and they want to tell you

6:58About how they think that they've got all these ideas about how you're gonna write a hit like oh if they're headed as long as we got No, no Jones will sing the back drum, you know, but the back beat for you Just got to get nor Jones beat boxing in the back whole thing is things gonna be a hit single They are strangely I'm actually you're you're right about that You think that I'm joking because I mean obviously so far in this interview We've mostly been lying but this is not a lie Oh, no, that was true That wasn't most of the interview right that was just one Little bit of truth the The they're all all the people who had record labels all the people in the sort of like top few tears of record labels are These crazy Cowboys and a lot of them are from Brooklyn for some reason are from New York at least and

7:48They it's because nobody really works their way up these companies like it's it's you kind of work up to a Certain respectable level and that's where you end as a career record label person the people who sit at the top Like fall out of airplanes into these seats like they they because they have to be just insane That's people people with like this absurd Ambition and like a completely cutthroat mentality. You know, they're really really insane people So they only people have those jobs much like people who for instance start fast food chains or anything I mean like they're just like these charismatic Insane wild Cowboys basically and they do all happen to be from New York. Yeah Sorry, yeah, all right Golden wet dark full of hot hot people

8:40They're they're not all blonde Some are brunette there's a lot of brunettes, but they're all hot. Yes That's the thing is you think you're gonna go and fall in love with all these blonde bombshells But you fall in love with blonde with bombshells of both types of hair There's no redheads there, so it's really just brunettes and blonde that is true And not all the guys are hot but all the guys but everybody is smart and it seems like me really the whole country is smart because they have Socialized education so everybody goes to school till they're like 45 and they're all they all know like 15 languages that you like you like bring out some Like obscure band that you like from 1974 and they can like tell you the entire history because they're not only smart about Academia, they just study everything everything they study everything. They're all pretty healthy as well socialize medicine Tim

9:26They pay high taxes though, you know all that schooling medicine. It's awesome and Sweden it's expensive, but I think it's worth it Yeah, I got a good lifestyle over there Yes, yes, but I don't know Swedish Yes, if we if we are able to yes Yeah, I would love to record for again tour basically decided that he wanted to stop making records for other bands So he decided he just wanted to make his own records He apparently decided this shortly before he decided to record our record So we were very lucky to get in there and we'll see if we can get in there again He also has a great team. We like a great production team as well. Yeah, I'm a where we worked. They're great people I'd work with just the Lindegard family for instance. Yeah, Petter and Yens Lindegard

10:12They're crazy. I mean they sat there there as crazy as their name sounds and they're their geniuses They're they play in a band called the moped's the moped's they also both play in Gospel and they have a band called them. They have a band called the gospel. They have a band called the moped's and That they're their horn trio has a name too, but I can't remember what it is. Yeah, but they're great horn players No, this is all fact this is all fact Petter and yens Yens Lindegard and there's dahl viewed Carlson who works with them also, but isn't related to them and marco Marco He's Italian, but he lives in Sweden and then Sebastian Arts He's the only person who works at the studio didn't work on our record. This is not interesting to your listeners is it?

11:00And that's a whole bunch of sweet people of the world. That's a whole bunch of Swedish people for you It's talking about the new record record, you know, it doesn't guitar is harm. He's left for instance once a lot more raw Well, basically I think of our first record as being kind of like Studio project it was really a very indulgent kind of kid in the candy store production, you know, we picked Songs that we had written over the past 20 years I mean it was it was things that Tim and I had written together for years and years and years so We've known each other now for 18 years Yeah And Tim doesn't like anyone to know that he's only 16

11:47So we had all these songs that we'd written together and and we basically went into the studio and just played and played and played and played and we kind of crammed every last space full of Hooks and noodles and bells and whistles and that kind of stuff and we really liked it at the time But but for our second record we wanted to make something that felt more like a band, you know that was Really more representative of our band So we basically decided to do the whole thing with a very limited sonic palette We just gave ourselves one drum sound one bass sound a few different like selections of amplifiers But you know we really kind of recorded everything live There was no click tracks and the whole thing We just wanted something that had the sort of like raw energy of our live show. Yeah, this new records a lot more like sonically spacious And things I think it actually comes out a lot big like it seems a lot bigger and more rockin because it's not

12:38You don't have a million things fighting for attention all the time, you know Yes Wow, thank you Well if he said zepa we gotta go some loud let's do invincible Opening track to the record Well, thank you. It's not it's not very it's not particularly a zeplinish But it is loud and it is pretty harsh and it is about an evil ex girlfriend saving the world You just heard okay go invincible sitting here with Tim and Damien from the band new guitar player Andy old guitar player Andy

16:45Yes, is that his real name or is it actually it is actually his real name still the same person See Tim see that's the part of the interview where Tim's line. He's not the same guy. He's a whole new Andy and His name actually is Andy we called him rusty simply to differentiate him from the old Andy Because we thought that rusty was the kind of name that might insult him and he'd feel bad about it You know and the key thing with any new band member is to demean them and belittle them for as long as you can And so we still don't let him look at us a lot of time He never eats with us, you know and whenever he's trying to really whenever he gets really upset and trying to make a point We make fun of him right and we always the three of us always the drummer Damien and I all We're going ourselves as the original members. Yeah, yeah Like he had to ask today whether or not he was allowed to have the cookies for instance that fans gave to the band

17:37Okay, oh some of this is actually a lie I'm gonna admit that now going forward because I realize that you have we were having trouble earlier with fact and fiction We're really nice to Andy Ross because Andy Ross is a really wonderful guy The reason we wound up with another Andy was was pure coincidence But he likes the best thing about our new guitarist aside from his fantastic Musical skills is that he likes being on the road and our old our old Andy musical genius though He was hated touring and and so he was like for the first week of tour I've been to be in a pretty good mood in the second week of tour It was alright, you know by by week three he's getting pretty grumpy and everybody else are trying to not be too grumpy with him You know and by year two, it's like people are like kind of shaking with anxiety, you know

18:24So everything is so it's just a lot calmer and and more exciting for us Since everybody is now enjoying beyond the road. Do you think this interview can be heard over sound check upstairs? Good people the world. That's the sound check upstairs. Yeah, well the backstage pass really nice You want to know the truth? We don't have backstage passes. We haven't we never made a laminate for this tour Isn't that weird? But he's still got a pass to get backstage. Do you have a pass? Well? No, I mean like I see it Yeah, like a verbal contract to get him back here, but there's not a I want to see like a little sticky thing on your on your pant leg or something, you know We could we have we have laminates from the Rufus Wainwright tour that we were just on we could use those Yeah, but there's a similar sense of melody or something like his fans all like us and our fans all like him

19:18There's it's it is really great I think sometimes that when bands are too similar it makes for a kind of bad show because you just sort of feel like you're getting Four hours of the same thing or something, you know like some of my favorite shows are when there's a little bit of you know When you're getting a few different things so that you don't get bored of being at a rock show I always loved like Scooby-Doo when they had like a guest star on it, you know like when the Harlem Globes Caughters came on or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, my I General idea for me with the Muppets. Yes, you know, they're so good at keeping it moving keeping it moving Keeping moving there you got Oscar grouch being grouchy being grouchy being grouchy all of a sudden you got count you got the count He's counting you only got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten, which is counting But it's not the count right and then in walks mark Hamill from Star Wars, right and in comes mark Hamill before he would

20:04Got deformed right to really mix things up. Yeah, that's great. That's how a rock show should feel. I think that's entertainment And also, okay, we are also huge fans of Rufus Wainwright And and I mean as as are a lot of folks and he's a personal friend and He just you know, he's only doing five shows in the States. So he offered us four of them. We took him. Yeah. Yeah Thanks Rufus Yeah The two of us live in LA now Andy Ross lives in LA Dan Kanopka lives in New York City. So we we no longer have any Any real roots in Chicago, which makes me feel a little ashamed No Chicago

20:59Were you in a very very rich part of Chicago? Oh, yeah downtown is true. That's true No, it's not it's not that clean, but it's not that bad me. No, it's not like disgusting Toronto is a clean city. Yeah, no But we are but again, we almost always stay downtown and play downtown Right, so I haven't spent a lot of time in the parts of the city that might be nastier How long have you lived in Toronto? Well Already he got he's got in town People at home just played by play here. He said he lived an hour outside Toronto and Tim said like get out of town I don't need to explain why that's funny. Do I come on? Million ways a million ways here it goes

21:48Million ways, okay go almost download a video on the internet. That's true apparently that is now the most downloaded video of all time

25:02That's all time. Yeah, is it for real online? Yeah, most downloaded apparently System and lips. How do you guys say that song name? You just call it's three C. It's just this Cinnamon yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that we we don't call it by its name not frequently But I think when we do it is called sister system and lips Hard to say Probably on this record there may even be more than one which could suggest that there would there will be an increasing number of dances per album although that there's sort of a finite number of of Dances one can have on a 13 song album, but you know maybe we'll just start having albums with like 48 songs so we can have 48 Tances, I know It's a big secret

25:52Now I will tell you I have already accidentally released part of the information about it The truth is that it is a a 34 and some odd minute Recording of my girlfriend sleeping Yes, but I can't tell you I can't tell you why it's on there I will tell you that it has very little to do with my relationship to my girlfriend Everybody's got all these ideas about how it's like some shit. I lost it bad to her or something like that I'm not gonna say they're wrong, but I'm not gonna say they're right in fact I'm gonna say they're probably not right. It's also not about my relationship with Damien's girlfriend either Well once again, I'm not gonna confirm or deny that but it's but I'll lean closer to confirming Upstairs by the way right now you can hear the man the popular's sound checking behind us. That's the popular's

26:42So I hear they're popular here in Canada is what I'm told there a can band as we call it in the States, which means Canadian band Slown Slown well right now the arcade fire is huge and and deservedly huge hot hot heat are big Well roof is Wayne Wright who is technically sort of a Canadian. He's half Canadian. He's got dual citizenship Let's see who else is big well Leonard Cohen is a Canadian. Yeah, he's always been big in the States Yeah, but he's made he's like I think perhaps the best songwriter of our Yeah, I mean I Performed to Dylan I think his lyrics are as poignant as Dylan's but I like his music more Yeah, so put some right over the edge for me right over the edge and took into sick twisted genius land

27:30Is huge but he's not musician well, he's not he's not popularly known as a musician But he is go to the pan flute right which is you know a little known fact, but it but true Let's see who else is big from Canada There's There's death from above death death from above 1979 are doing pretty well my my ex girlfriend's sister used to date one of those guys Yeah, so we used to hang out with them when we're in Toronto, but then they broke up with my ex girlfriend's sister So and about hanging out with him in here. Oh metric who are who are sort of a Canadian band? They're actually not big, but they're awesome. So let's put it that way They're big in our van but there but and they're getting big in the States slowly They're getting big and other musicians vans and eventually they will take over the United States via van travel or you know

28:19You know by van distribution of their music That wasn't that was an accident the Jazzy t-shirt thing. Yeah, and it got really boring. It got really boring Well, I'm not technically new suit right now Yeah, well, we're let's just put it this way. We're really into into into patterns right now Multiple patterns and I don't know how long it'll last but it um But it's got a hold of me like a like a like a disease Yeah Here it comes you're so damn hot

29:54This 88.3 cji key your listen the backstage pass case you're just joining us sitting here with Damien Tim from okay go

31:44We just played you're so damn hot Split on the OC. Have you guys noticed the fame from the OC? No matter fact? I Didn't even know it had been played on the OC, but we I mean we we have noticed a steady increase in people liking us Which is great. I have not I didn't notice a particular bum from the OC But we've had an incredible amount of luck with with people playing our music and their TV shows and and on You know movies and that kind of stuff. It's um, it's it's it's it's kept us alive to tell you the truth It's wonderful Helped yeah as though as as the most downloaded video artists of all time We think it's great. Yeah

32:33I would prefer that they come to a show and buy a CD at the show. Yeah What's that if I could only pick one Hmm that's tough that's a tough one I would prefer I would prefer to do a show I would prefer I'm gonna buy our CD Like that you see how quickly we came up with that? Yeah, I'm still working on it. Well, yeah, yeah Well, I do what's called audio blog and right now the blog has turned into a play It's like an old-fashioned radio play right and Tim is almost all of the characters Yeah, but I'm starting to I'm starting to bring in guest characters at this point kind of like we were saying before like

33:21Scooby-Doo fashion or the moment like that and this first one's called the delusional delights of birdie obromolites and It's about a woman woman named birdie obromolites woman named birdie obromolites who's under the delusion that she's a really famous writer but But really it's her son that's sort of Shrieking her into believing that and this is based on the true situation. This is based on a true situation of some someone in my family who Went through a similar thing. Yeah, so I'm sort of I'm sort of like I'm getting out a lot of family. I don't really call it like you're basically using our fans as your Psychologist. Yeah, yeah, cuz we're on the road so much. I don't have time to like actually sit down with a real one

34:09So it's cool. I I think you're your radio plays are fantastic Thank you, and at the end of every radio play there. I asked people to bring us things to our show and Candy sculptures underwear You know clean clean underwear clean underwear, of course clean unused underwear Yeah, you know drawings of the sky things like that And and we collect them and take photographs of them and put them when you ask for drawings of the sky Did anyone bring you drawings of this guy? This yeah Because you know cuz you know everybody always talks about in in the Jimi Hendrix song Yeah, how excuse me while I kiss the sky people think hey is using excuse me while I kiss this guy you see you found Okay, I see we're going with that

34:54Yes, I will tell you yes one person brought me a picture of this guy this guy Wow Yeah, did it then have like it sounds really good this guy this guy the age old joke Got two thumbs and likes chocolate milk, right? Talk of meldes and quotes for those of you. Yeah, I was quoting I was air quoting. Yeah Anything you guys want to hear the first record the first record we hate the first record Alright, we want to hear I want to hear this one's kind of like a middle jam. I want to hear oh lately. It's so quiet

Part 2

0:00We write in all sorts of different ways, but usually we kind of write We sort of individually cobble together little demos and then we work on them being groups after that So a lot of times people just sort of like it's not really an acoustic or electric thing It's sort of like a single idea, you know, a single bit of chord progression or riff or something We'll sort of like just make a little home demo based around that idea We're never like a jam band so much No, no, we're like an arrangement band Yeah, yeah, we sort of like bring in ideas and then we play chess with them for a while Well, we don't literally play chess, but we get out of board Luckily both of our guitarists have been named Andy, so the only answer I can say is yes

0:54Andy who is now in our band Andrew Ross III is It did not record on their album Although he recorded on some of the B-side, I believe Yeah, things that show up on single things we've done for movie soundtracks Things we've done for little projects here and there afterwards He joined the band basically as soon as we got back from Sweden Where we recorded the last album We recorded the album with Andy Duncan who was our original guitarist And it was actually a really, you know, I think some of the best creative time we've had with Andy Duncan Yeah, and there were no real big tensions in the studio But I think when we got home he looked at his calendar and realized that If the album did well we'd be on the road for two years and he just couldn't handle that much touring again

1:39And he was right, you definitely need a balance I know that after months in the studio you kind of get stir crazy and want to get out and start playing But right now that feeling is so distant that it's easy for me to think I could spend the rest of my life in the studio and never travel again 28 months it is now Yeah, a little over two So, you know, working on two and a half years right now Yeah, we took off a little bit of January to make a video And I got married last year, so we took off Thank you, thanks so much We took off about three weeks for the wedding and honeymoon But other than that we literally have not been off tour for more than four days in a row since January of 2005

2:24Yeah, 2005, yeah Mm-hmm She is the bonus track on record, yes It's yeah, well the secret is the secret's a little out of the bag now And times have changed with our label so I can talk a little bit more about it But basically we wanted, I don't know if I should talk about this Yeah, to say They were going to hobble our record with copy control software And we really didn't want it to be copy protected Especially because the copy protection software at the time was malignant I mean it actually screwed up people's computers and it made it impossible to put your CDs on your iPod You couldn't share the sounds at all

3:11Yeah, I mean you couldn't even listen to them yourself I mean without even getting into the politics of people trading or stealing music It meant that people who bought our CD couldn't even put it on their computer And from our perspective that seemed absolutely ridiculous and the point, you know, any band just wants their music to be listened to So we didn't want anything getting in the way of people being listened to it So we've fought a long and complicated battle with our label And in the end it looked like we were about to lose because they said that we're a band that kills the young, you know, college age Intellectual kids who are exactly who they thought were most likely to steal and trade music And so they were going to make an example of us by putting this copy protection software on there

3:56And quote unquote seeing how it worked, you know So we handed in a master at the last minute that was filled up the exact length of the CD So that there was no room left on the desk to put in a software And they didn't realize they were like wow that's weird, you guys were giving us a 72 minute album, exactly, you know And they didn't realize what had happened until it got spit back by quality control Which was like record sounds great, but we can't put any software on there I actually, you know, I don't think that raising the price is a bad idea I've been thinking a lot about this because I might write something about it soon But the reasoning behind the raising of the price is kind of, it's obviously kind of bullshit I mean no one thinks that it's a higher quality music that you get without the copy protection software

4:46Oh, yeah, I mean, okay, yeah, technically In terms of technical specs it might be a slightly higher quality No one is sitting there going like that the 30 cents is worth the extra sampling later, you know The thing is that 99 cents a song is a pretty fair price if you're going to buy 13 or 14 songs at once But no one does it, everyone buys one song at a time and these people, I mean what they should have said I mean, I think what they're really doing, I may be wrong about this, but my suspicion is that Because they still pay full price to make an album, you know, and they still give bands, whatever, you know $50,000, $100,000 to go in the studio and make 45 minutes of music But people only buy three minutes of it now, I mean people only buy the single

5:31And so they, basically their albums are now selling for a dollar because people just buy the one song You know, you used to go to the store and buy the whole album and have that song in it And hopefully you fall in love with the rest of the album People basically don't do that anymore And so, you know, I think, you know, $1.50, $1.29, whatever it is, it's charging, it's still less than most people's table They're talking, you know, I mean, it's like, it's, for people to complain about that, it's just ridiculous Like, if they're getting, you know, it's such a good deal, you know, it's just stupid for them to be saying that it's a higher quality I mean, they should just go flat out and say, like, look, the market has changed, everyone's buying a single song I mean, frankly, I think people should pay $4 or $5 for the one song and then get the rest of the album at half price or something You know what I mean?

6:16Well, there's... I like the one... I saw something about that with iTunes If you buy the single, you get the... I believe, and I don't know It's not every artist, but it's labels that have agreed to this promotion If you buy the single, and again, I'm not sure if I'm exactly right on this, but if you buy the single, you then get that deducted from the album when you buy it, so you don't buy the single twice Okay, alright, alright, I thought I'd just qualify you for like a discounted... Well, I think that is the discount, yeah, that is the discount, yeah I'm not sure exactly what the mechanics of it are, but the point is that if you buy a 15 song album, if you buy each song, obviously it's $15 But usually the albums buy themselves, or $10, so they're saying if you want to go buy that $10 album, we'll give you your 99 cents back for whatever I mean, that's a, I think the essential math behind it

7:03Which is nice, I mean, that's great, but at the end of the day, it really, like, if you wanted a really fair system, I mean, people would completely revolt if they tried this right now But if you wanted a really fair system, you would have a high entry level for a particular song Everybody likes that song by Justin Timberlake, you'd pay $4 or $5 on that song And then the rest of them are sort of promotional, like, if you want to get all the rest of the album, you'd pay another $4, 5 bucks, and you'd get 10 times more music It is changing, and it's, I don't know, do you like it Tim? I like the way it's going, I'm always sad to see the actual hard copy, you know, I come from the generation, I like to hold on to the CD and flip through the book with it and feel like that But I'm also getting used to sort of the newer way of just going and finding the song you like

7:53Yeah, it's like, you know, change is frightening, but it's not necessarily bad I mean, I also am a physical object person, like, I miss, you know, 7th, just I miss, like, real albums, you know, and artwork and this sort of preciousness of that object I mean, I also miss learning about things in record stores, like going in and sort of like falling in love with the way something looks and feels Reckless, reckless, reckless, reckless, reckless, there's the best one I think is the one on Milwaukee, there's two of them Yeah, there's one on Broadway and one on the watching One on Broadway and one on Milwaukee But you know, that really has changed and it's not, and I don't think it will ever go back, I mean, I don't think there's a inverted change that could happen there

8:44And it's not, you can't really like, there's sort of no use in being too nostalgic about it, I mean, music is still music And there are lots of great things that have come along with it, I mean, we're one of those bands, it's obviously benefited greatly from a new system, you know Um, you were going to go a little bit, I don't know, just around the line Oh yeah, a million ways was definitely a list of screw-around in our backyard Kind of a way to knock out the middleman a little bit and just like make something and then be able to just put it right out I don't know if it was like a conscious decision, but like, ooh, look at this great new platform I mean, I think it's always been conscious of trying to steer our own ship I mean, I grew up in Washington, D.C., you know, a total devotee of all things Discord and the punk rock scene in D.C., which was very aggressively do it yourself

9:35And I sort of like, you know, the version of music and the music world that I grew up knowing was definitely all about making things happen for yourself and doing it your own way And trying to steer clear of the influences of Big Bad Corporation and so forth You know, we obviously run a major label, you know, we've like, in some senses we're in Beb with the Devil And we've always tried to like, have control over the things we make and be the people steer it And so in that sense it's been conscious, but we sort of, we don't see ourselves primarily as like technological marketers, you know, I mean, we still just want to make things we want to make And we've been lucky that there's been, you know, that we're in a time when these things can find the way out in the world and then you're wet here

10:23We haven't been dancing on stage in a while now, for that reason exactly just that at some point it definitely starts to overshadow everything else I mean, the reason it was so fun to come up with those dances in the first place is that it was so confusing to our fans, you know, if you're in the middle of a rock show and you just drop your instruments and break into this dance routine People just sort of draw on the floor, and that's what was so great about it now that people kind of, now that doesn't suffice people or people sort of expect it You sort of feel like you're just doing literally the song and dancing, you know, so we've stopped doing that as much as much as we made do it one of the next couple nights Yeah, because this is the last two nights where our tour was snow patrol and they haven't seen it before, yeah, so yeah

11:13Yeah, we've been on tour with them for about a month and they're really super wonderful guys and I think they would really appreciate the dance I think they would like it to do this, it's definitely a good trick to have in your back pocket It does feel very much like that, though, it's a trick, it's like a really good joke to whip out in the middle of a dinner party Yeah, yeah, but that doesn't mean it's a substantial element of what we think we are But we have a sort of every evolving set list, I wouldn't say that we, you know, unlike the Pixies, for instance, who just did it on the fly every night Oh, on the Pixies covers record? Oh yeah, they really picked it, yeah, yeah, yeah, they've held, they're sort of asking us to do gigantic, which is a big honor because obviously that's one of the big E's

12:02It is indeed gigantic It's actually a song we've tried before, too Oh no, it's not, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry But there are other more obscure songs that might fit us better, and we haven't addressed what we'll do yet necessarily I will either do gigantic or probably something off of like, you know, common program or something that is a little more suited to us Oh, set list, you know, it really depends where, what type of show we're doing, actually, when we're headlining And we have our sort of full video set up, and we're doing, you know, an hour and a half set We have a lot more leeway to change it up every night, when you're opening for someone and you have to keep it to a very specific time length

12:53This tour has been 40 or 45 overnight And we've been doing most of the same set, and in the last 30 shows we've probably played five different sets or something, but they're all pretty similar But we have some times, but these are, this will be the first time that we've done it Not like consecutively days and a row With the same package, too, and we've done a lot of radio shows and festivals in places like this But it's a very different experience when you're actually, you know, traveling with the same people And you can sort of work on the whole show as opposed to it being just like, you know, applying and fly out of it We actually, as soon as we get done with this Snow Patrol tour, we are going to do a run of American college dates

13:38So that will take up April, and then in May we're going to do some writing and recording, but probably not, you know, full studio stuff with the B-Mausau demos And then in June we go back out with the fray, in July we do some demo stuff against more recording, and then we go to Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and Taiwan Sometimes it creates anxiety and sometimes it's nice to know Like, you know, I remember being blown away when I met some band, I can't remember who it was, like, five years ago And realized that they were booked nine months out, and it was like, that must be the sign of some massive success Because like, you know what you're doing nine months from now, damn, things are going good, you know The flip side is, if you know what you're doing nine months from now, there's not a lot of room for anything else

14:27It's a responsibility, you know, it's, I mean, we're trying to build some time into our tours at this point to do writing and recording and think about creative things But honestly, like, it's, you know, for the first, you know, the last two and a half year tour, for the first year and a half of it We were in cars and band driving ourselves and really, really being road dogs And since then, we have, you know, there was like a good six or eight months where we were doing 12 hours of press every day And it's, we've sort of like been able to finally work some of our own time into the day in our tours But to tell you the truth, it's really hard to think and to think creative thoughts after you've been, you know, through the washing machine Alright, the song here goes again, which you guys are about to hear, it's our big hit, huh Tim?

15:18It's huge, and it's funny, I like the song fine, but it was, I never would have picked this as a single I mean, clearly the video picked it and the video was like, we picked this for the video simply because it was in a good tempo for dancing on a treadmill, you know We actually, when we went to make the treadmill video at my sister's house in Florida, we, you know, we didn't, our label didn't know we were doing it In fact, our management didn't even know we were doing it, and we had, in mind, that we were going to do a video for a different song We were going to do... I think it's a good idea at the time Good idea at the time, and because we thought, we knew we were doing some of the treadmills and we thought that a good idea at the time, which is another album, I mean, sorry, another song on our album It has this kind of like stomping feel to it, it's a much more kind of like, it sounds more like a march or something

16:07We thought it would fit with treadmills, and when we actually tried dancing to it, it just kind of clunky on the treadmills Yeah, it didn't quite fit, so we just like went to the album and looked for a song that had a good tempo for dancing on treadmills, and this was the one And it's funny, because now it's like, you know, our big single, and you know, I like the song, it's good Yeah, yeah, no, it's alright, it was funny, the tempo of the song matched two miles per hour on the treadmills Well, you could do two, it's like a three variable thing, you could, at two miles an hour, to this tempo you could get four beats before you fall off the end of the treadmill You step on the furthest, you know, the front most part of the treadmill, you got four beats till you get on the end