Reel Big Fish

Part 1

0:00Outside the Avalon here in Los Angeles. Indeed. Good venue? Never been inside myself, so. Uh, I was just inside for the first time this afternoon at Soundcheck. Yeah? I'd never been in here before, and I think it's a great place. I'm excited to play. What do you guys usually play when you're out here? I guess you guys are from around here, so everywhere, right? Yeah, well, generally we'll play House of Blues. But for one reason or another, we're here tonight, and I'm super excited. On the Walk of Fame? Oh, yeah. Yeah, pretty cool. And notice a lot of names double up. I was walking by. I was like, I saw that Frank Sinatra on Hollywood, and now it's down here, too. Yeah, I expect them to have some sort of, you know. You think they have a system like, oh wait, we already have one for him. Yeah, but apparently not. No. Anywho, let's start the show off of the song. The song that turned me on to you guys's beer.

0:45Okay. I figured it was, I thought it was a huge hit, but it turns out, sell it was the song that got you guys big. It was. I thought it was beer. Yeah, I think beer was one of those songs because it was on the, the basketball soundtrack. Uh, yeah. It was in that movie, and that's what turned everyone on to. It's kind of funny because, yeah, it was, it was one of those songs that, um, everyone thought it's like the underground hit. Uh, you know, it's, it's the song. It's not technically a hit, but everyone wants to hear it. Yeah. Um, the, the, the, the, the play that we go. Oh, yeah. Cool. Yeah, it's, that's the one great thing about the band is we're, we, we're not one of those bands that hits the stage and we'll, you know, we, we don't sit there and think that we're musically beyond any, any of the old songs. So we're, we're definitely, we aim to, to please ourselves and the crowd though. I mean, because otherwise without the crowd, we got nothing.

1:32Good point. So, so play beer. Oh, yeah.

5:03All right. You just said real big fish with beer. I want to talk about scum music. I was reading an interview at camp, which one of your band members did it. Talked about sca originally starting off as a type of music for social change. And now it's become more of just the fun genre of music. Something you don't really talk about too much on the new album. It's more just pissed off and stuff at the music age. In general. But do you guys still having fun with it? I mean, I know the album's, you know, a little bit angry and angstful. But is having fun? I'm having fun. Yeah. We're having a great time with it still. If, if we weren't, if, if we weren't, if the band wasn't having fun, I don't think it would continue to, to keep going. And it's, it's going stronger than ever, I think. I think so. I think we're having more fun than ever. And we just got dropped by a record label. So we're the happiest we've been in. It's like being released from prison eight years.

5:52On the website, it made it sound like you guys kind of just quit, not dropped. Well, we didn't really have the option of quitting. Ah, I see. We tried to quit. Before we put out the last album, we're like, please, just drop us. Just let us go. How come? Not really. I just don't. It was a label that, that. It was a huge, it's a huge, major label. And if you don't make like millions of dollars for them and sell millions of records, then they don't really care about you. Well, that kind of makes sense to the bands that they have. However, they know that with a band like Real Big Fish, all they have to do is just put the record out. Don't promote it or anything. Just put it out. And they know they'll make their money back and then some. But not enough to actually promote it or do anything about it. So it was kind of stuck. Yeah. But I don't know what happened. They just called a manager a week ago and said, we're just going to let you guys go.

6:39We're not going to pick up the option. And then you heard a giant celebration happening immediately. We're out because now we can put out albums ourselves and just get distribution deals and. Yeah, I want to talk about what we want to do. Cool. Well, we'll talk about that. Let's play another song, a song. Don't start a band from the New York. I figured we'll play people some new stuff. Real Big Fish. Sweet. Don't start a band. Wants to hear nobody understands. Don't start a band. You will be so disappointed that it was nothing like you. Don't start a band. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait to kill the dream.

7:25But once you've been behind the scenes, we'll do no trust what I mean. No, don't ask me. Don't start a band. Nobody wants to hit nobody. I'm so damn terrible. They won't get through. Yeah, yeah. Don't you walk in phase. It shouldn't be a real big fish.

10:18Don't start a band off their new record. Talk about getting dropped from your label and putting stuff out yourself. Do you think that's the way the music industry is going now with my space and downloading and all this stuff? Yeah, definitely. The music industry has completely changed. The changing completely from what it used to be. Well, it's definitely, well, and especially a band like Real Big Fish, we're in a very unique position to be able to put a record out ourselves. And because we'll actually have the money to do it and maybe get distribution deals. Or for that matter, the band could just put it on websites, sell it on the internet, sell it at shows, and the band could end up making more money off of that through record sales than ever. Yeah. I mean, it's been possible for bands to do it themselves for a long time, you know.

11:06Yeah. Since Rock started in the 70s, so how about do it yourself? But now it's like major labels aren't even able to do it. Pretty soon it's going to be over for them. You think they're not going to be able to keep up? Oh, are they going to have to be drastic? They're going to have to adjust in a major way. They're so behind in everything they do that they ever know. They're either going to have to start doing something to the effect of, you know, instead of trying to just have one or two, you know, a handful of platinum selling bands each year. They'll just have to start spending accordingly. Like, okay, we probably think this band could sell a couple hundred thousand records, so we'll only spend this much. And instead of having three or four majorly successful records, maybe have 50 just, you know, decent selling records.

11:55But, you know, I guess when I say decent compared to what the standards are today, as in, unless you sell millions, it's considered, you know, a flop. Yeah, it shouldn't be that way. They never know. They might figure out some way to keep it going. I'm sure they will. Yeah. I think it's going to be completely different. I think you're for downloading like the legal downloading. Oh, yeah, definitely. You guys do that kind of stuff? Yeah, I mean, I haven't actually figured out iTunes or anything. But I am P3 player and stuff. Yeah, definitely. That helped our music get out to so many people. Like even the illegal downloading of Napster and stuff, when that first started, like, that got our music all around the world. It was awesome. And we were able to tour in countries that didn't have our album in stores.

12:44I'm talking about in Europe. Yeah, like Europe. That's how we get started over there. You guys are heading up there in like what, four days or something like that? Yeah, Sunday. It was huge there. In England, we're pretty, kind of like we were here 10 years ago. Yeah. Come on. But the weird part, well, but it seems like the weird part about it is though. It's not really that much bigger. Actually, yeah. It's pretty much the same. It's just it's like 15% bigger. It's just a little bit more of like. Yeah, because it's because it's still so new to them that they're still really excited where it's here in the States. They're still really excited about it, but it's not, but we've been around for a while. So it's like, you know, all reliable, all reliable, real big fish.

13:30We know they'll put on a good show. What do you mean by more excited? Like just like the atmosphere, I guess. Just like after the show here, walk out to the bus. Maybe a couple of kids will be one out of graphs, but there it's like we have to have security guards. Yeah. Like the beat of the people to get us into the bus. That's cool. For now, I'm sure that'll. It makes us feel good. I tell you what. Plano, what do you guys want to hear? What do you want to talk? What do you think? I like, turn the radio off the song from the new record. That's one of my favorite songs. How can you decide to name a song that after the first record? Well, I wrote that song a long time ago. And just never made a record. I was doing a thing like we had the album, Everything Sucks, but there was no song.

14:16Everything sucks. The next album had a song called, Everything Sucks on it. So I wanted, what are the rock so hard? I wanted the song to turn the radio off on it, but I'd never finished it. So, and then that whole thing full time. Cool. But it was written for the album. Why do they rock so hard? You know what it is? So I could do that. I'm talking with a real big fish.

17:09You guys put up 14 songs on a record. I remember reading another interview saying, you know, there's so much room on a space. CDs are so expensive. Why not fill up as many songs as you can? Wire bands, you know, recording 50 songs saying, eh, we'll put 10. It's ridiculous. Like, how can you guys decide to fuck it? I've always wanted to put all the songs we wrote on it. You got to save some songs for other records though. Well, you never know if you're going to be able to make another album. It's going to be, you never know. That could be your whole legacy, that one album. So maybe the next Real Big Fish record will be like a quad, not the double record. It'll be the quadruple record. Yeah, it'll reflect to something like that. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's just four disc record. They've always record companies.

17:54Oh, you only need to put 10 songs. Dude, I want to put as many as possible. Yeah, because yeah, every Real Big Fish record has had at least 14 songs. Yeah, most of them had 16 songs. Yeah. I'm glad too, because the first two albums, everyone's favorites. Turn the radio off and buy the Raxenhardt. That's like 32 songs. So, a lot of songs. If we had done like two 10 song albums, I don't know. Yeah, people might have given up on us. What they did, still going strong, working on a live album I heard. Yeah, is it recorded or are you just just mixing it now? Yeah, we recorded the last week of shows. So, when we get back from Europe, I'm going to have to go in and sift through. Yeah, I got through all the recordings.

18:40I'm just going to make a compilation of the best of all the stuff. Yeah, cool. Where do you guys complain? Is West Coast tour all over the place? Yep, we did West Coast. Yeah. Starting in Salt Lake City, we did Colorado and... Which is not quite the West Coast, but it's kind of the West Coast. Yeah, we're in the West Coast. That's enough. It's on the other side of the mountains. It's playing another song. We hit it when our friends become famous. We'll see more see cover off the new record. Woo hoo! Give a shout out to No Doubt and that song kind of thing. Yeah. You guys friends with them still? Or is it just... We're never really friends. Well, I tell you what, you know, I call them all the time. They have yet to return my phone calls, but you know, whatever. Cool. There are acquaintances. They're always the big band in Orange County. We're first starting, so we like to poke fun with them. Cool. Because why not?

19:25Because why not? They can't afford it. That's true. That's true. So I got the guys from Real Big Fish. We hit it when our friends become famous.

21:52It's a song by Morrissey. Heard some 41 took you back on the road. So you don't hate that when they became famous. No, no. We're glad. We're happy for them. That helped us a lot in Europe too. They're a big band. John's in the band now. Who? I read that on the internet. New trumpet here. Oh, really? Oh, our John. Our John. You're John. I'm not talking about some 41. I'm 41. I'm 41. I know John. He switched the subject. I was talking about my topic. Sorry, I looked down and got sick. Not bad. Yes, we have a new trumpet player, John. Is it hard with a new player to diversify the setlist too much? Or does he know every song? Not with him and not with this guy. Yeah. Rylan, because they are super awesome musicians and they practice all day long.

22:37And they probably know more songs than we do. The old guys. I know that you know more songs than that one. Probably. I don't know. It's kind of getting to that point where I've been exhausting all the songs that I kind of knew. Now we're delving into songs that I've never done with you guys before. Yeah, songs that I've never even heard before were delving into. That's cool. But it's fun though. I was actually thinking about it today as a matter of fact. As I was driving in my car, I was stuck in traffic. I was thinking about songs. I was like, man, by the time we learned the entire really fish catalog, that's like 60-50. Like 60 or 70 songs or something. And just the thought of being able to choose between that many songs from night to night

23:23on stage. It's just like, it's kind of fun. That's fun though. I think it's fun. How do you go into shows? Do you have a set list or is it just kind of what are we feeling? Yeah, we have a set list. How different are they every night? Mmm. Who do they do? From, well, they're pretty similar from night to night, but every tour I try to diversify it. Dicks and old songs up that we haven't done. Why don't we dig an old song for another one? Change the rotation. Anyone here? Uh... What do you think? Oh man. We've been playing Somebody Haked Me lately. I like that song. Oh yeah, that's a good song. Cool. I enjoy that. Somebody Haked Me.

24:35I'm gonna hate to be talking to the guys from Real Big Fish.

27:25Scott just got out of the hospital. What was going on with that? I mean, it doesn't really specify the website. I don't know if you want to go into it if you don't. That's cool. No, that's cool. You just got some weird neurological syndrome that just, all of a sudden... It's really common. I don't think so actually. What is it? It basically just somehow affects your nervous system and basically makes your... Brain and your nerves aren't communicating. You almost feel numb all the time. You can't really do anything so it's just like physical therapy and stuff. He's doing all right now. He's all better now. Cool. Good to hear. But he was out for a couple months. Couple months, yeah. He did a tour of Australia. Yeah. Without him. How was that? Different? It was weird. It was fun. Yeah.

28:10Awesome. We always have a good time. We just think of the show. Oh, go ahead. We're not here for a long time. We're here for a good time. You know? That's how we roll. You know? We just think every week we call five questions, five quick questions one more to answer. iPod or CDs? iPod. iPod at this point, yeah. I'm not an Americani. McCartney. I like McCartney. No, I do. I like McCartney. Sorry. I'm sorry. Most people, most people like... Bro, then and then. I like McCartney. I like McCartney. Yeah, I like McCartney. Alright, cool. Alcohol or marijuana? Alcohol. Song you've written your most proud of. I've never written a song. You've never written a song? Ah! Favorite song to play live? I love playing Turn the Radio off.

28:55Cool. The song. The song. I think I'm proudest at writing. That's hard. They're all so good. It's all like your children. You can't pick your favorite child. What's your favorite to play live in? Kiss me deadly. Listen, that in the car is the one on my song. That's not his song. Fear that Kim Carnes? No, who did that? Lita Ford. Lita Ford. Oh yeah. Lita Ford. All I get, those rocker girls mixed up. I am proud of writing. I love them and then I hate them so much. No. Alright, we'll go kiss me deadly. I was so proud of, don't start a band, but now I think it's mean. Because you've been feeling better these days.

29:41I was thinking, now I'm just like, oh fuck. No, I feel bad. I'm not in such a bad mood anymore. So, now I feel bad. Cool. And one word, real big fish. One word? One word. First thing you're supposed to do is you have anything you're banding. A sidewalk pops into my head. I don't know if that would have a sidewalk. A sidewalk popped into my head. I don't know if it always would, but at this particular moment. It does, cool. One word. My whole life. Hyphenated. Works for me. And once I'm close, what do you guys want to play? I want to play. There's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure. I'm on the spot.

30:26On a radio. RAP! I don't know. Something old, something new. How about story of my life? That song was awesome. Cool. Thanks so much. Play all the covers. We do the covers so well. I'm proud of my covers. No, thank you. Appreciate it. I had fun. I had all the fun. Didn't we have all the fun? I asked you, you're proposing your girlfriend. Yeah, I am. I suppose by the time this hits the air, it will have already happened. So hopefully she said yes to live right now. What are you planning on doing? I'm going to, I think we're going to go to Disneyland. That's where I met her. Cool. You can do it on a roller coaster or something? No. Here's the Turds ride. Oh, no, I dropped it. Turds wild ride. Mr. Turds wild ride.

31:11Well, I thought maybe you could do it on the storybook ride because I heard you can arrange it so you can have your own private little boat ride on the storybook ride. But I think I'm just going to do it at the spot that we actually met. That's pretty cool. What did you meet? We met in between the parks. You know that, like there's the California adventure and then there's Disneyland and then there's like the common area. Oh really? Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. That's nice. You know, yeah. Sentimental. Yeah. Thanks guys. Thank you. Stop asking me about my personal life. Oh, no! No! No!

Part 2

0:00All right got the guys from real big fish here in the studio all the way from Los Angeles, California Made the trip up through where did you go through like the inland or you go up the coast and come around? well Yesterday we were in The Spokane Take a second to fire up the few brain cells that I have left and then we went to sleep on the bus And we woke up at the border. Yeah, I have no idea which way we went but apparently it was out of the way But it was the nicest border check I've ever been through it gave us some nice little Canadian It's never ever happened before they were very courteous very polite and they Didn't even ask us to bend over anything great. It must be different coming through like those

0:45I guess their prairie states too. We call them prairie problems up here They probably don't get too many bands coming through and that kind of stuff so Speak to a lot of rock stars. Yeah I want to talk about the LAC and the OC punk scene that you guys grew up in and Kind of flourished out of no doubt you guys social D. I mean just keep naming the bands How did you guys get into it three of those bands together? So um, I don't know I lived in Orange County since I was in high school since I first started high school and I don't know from I moved from I've already lived in Escondido. It was like San Diego area. Okay But I didn't really start going to shows until I was like a senior in high school I didn't even know they existed and somebody took me to a scholarship

1:32And it was that old world in Huntington Beach like a little German town and I don't know I Was playing guitar. Yeah at the time we had a little band going We didn't know what we were doing we were playing leds up and covers and stuff And I just like the horns and I like the energy and I don't know I just started going to Scott shows all the time Yeah, what do you run? Well, I mean I had Been exposed to Scott music growing up I I had only I've only lived in Southern California for the last six years But I'd been exposed to it growing up, but I didn't know what it was called I didn't know it was called Scott music or you know or if I was listening to reggae I didn't know it was reggae music or whatever, but it wasn't really until I moved Orange County that I would start becoming more aware of Scott bands and and Things in that nature, but it's I've only been in the band really fish now for

2:23a little over a year and a half now and it's only been in that year and a half that I've really been exposed to a lot of Scott music and but it's just happy and it's fun and it's fun to play thank you Matt So he's been filling in for our various drummers right past five years. Yeah, yeah I've known the band since I moved to California, so how'd you guys look up? Well Actually, we were We were judging a battle of the bands We were any ball battle the band with a safe ferris and lit and teeny others awful metal bands There was another scab and there was And this band with like a keyboard like a jazzy drummer in this guitar player and that was where I was Made out of square square and we gave them 10 10 out of 10

3:11Yeah, it was no it was fun We we we won and that the money that we went from it that pretty much allowed us to live in Southern California Without going completely broke at least for the first six months, but and yeah, we just we started hanging out with these guys I guess we just started talking that night and yeah, it was funny because We I think it was almost I don't know if there was a chance meeting or not But we happen to run into them again like later that week And I think that's kind of what kept the relationship going because you know You meet so many people and it's like oh, yeah cool Let's stay in touch and then you never see again But I think the fact that we all kind of lived somewhat in the same area and the and that we Kind of went to the same areas that they hung out and that's kind of what kept the relationship going So and so here I am today

3:57We always drumming like scop on kind of music or like you know jazz band No, this no is more. Yeah, it was more like pop rock, you know jazz type music and this is the first band This is like honestly, it's the most intense drumming playing in this band that I've ever done which is a lot of fun for me But yeah, it took me a little while to get comfortable with the music, but it's a lot of fun now Yeah, you're really telling the live record I mean sure you can hear it on like studio recordings But with a live record and DVD you can you can notice all the playing I think you guys sound a lot better live than Well, it's not about the record anything but on the live album. Yeah, this this was the first Recording project. I got to be a part of it. So it's no no actually you're Up, and all right. Was it really he played the shaker? Yes And the tambourine to a little percussion. Yeah, let's talk with a new live record, okay

4:48What made you do it? I mean the last time you talked we were made you do it. Yeah, what why do you do? What did you just left the major label you're doing the anything now? Which I know you're very happy about yeah, so why the first one live and not a studio recording um? Well, we've been wanting to do a live album for a long time because you know Everybody's unhappy with their albums. You know all the studio. We can't capture the energy exactly this But yeah, it's just live is completely different. There's a whole show that goes on. There's a lot of Funny banter and different breakdowns and things we do with the music and just a lot This is a completely different experience from the album So we wanted to capture that and we were asking jive for a long time to let us do a live album and I just never happened Oh, everybody hates nobody likes live records and nobody does but we wanted to make a good one

5:36but um, so we finally split with jive and It's like we could do whatever we wanted so we figured a since jive owns all our old recordings We'll make that live album and that's kind of a way for us to own our songs again sort of That's that's the one of the good things that you know when band signed to labels is they own recordings. They don't own songs Yeah, so that's on the songs we can record the song. Yeah, you can they belong to us But those those old recordings belong to jive so yeah, how's it work being in you now with like money situation kind of you don't mind talking about it I'll go to you now cuz I know Dave Matthews their live records. They make all profit off of them Yeah, I mean you still have to Get it distributed and get it in the stores and stuff and there's a certain percentage that goes to the distributors and the you know certain people

6:22But how it's a much better deal now the rocker company usually gets like 90% of everything more than that So now I mean it's a really good deal now. So we're actually making a little bit of money Yeah, when the record sales for the first time when you go from when you go from making Well, that's the thing like you the way record labels are set up You have to sell millions of records before you can even see a dime from it And that's just the thing usually the way deals are worked out is like you get you end up getting like 13 cents per record Mm-hmm or something and that's even if you recoup Yeah, after you make back the 300,000 you spent recording it Yeah, and now but now it's you know we get Whatever the $18 for every record we sell so it's like it's and because it's you know, it's too

7:09Well, but it's a lot more. It's a lot more, you know, so two CDs and a DVD like you're saying Yeah, exactly two CDs in a DVD. It's the big package. It is the big package last time we talked you said Oh, you're going to Europe But you had recorded like a week's worth of shows and you're gonna have to go through and mix them all and choose the songs here and there What about the DVD are they all from the same show or does it come from a week's worth as well? The DVDs from the same show. We just did a show of the little place called the alley. It's in Fullerton Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know we got the guy that made our don't start a band video and he just got a few of our fans together and Handed them some cameras and said hey shoot them It's pretty cool. It's it's weird. It's a lot of it reminds you that banjo v video the Madison

7:54Madison where they give the fans the cameras. Yeah New DVD v-st. Do it now it seems to be there to go now It's awesome from the fans point of view you think touring is the future of music now with I mean iTunes and all that kind of stuff Um, yeah I mean that touring has always been the thing that's kept our band in business and like like we I haven't had a day job for 10 11 years now And it's just because of the touring just playing the shows people coming out and tickets in the merchandise And the band is definitely created Like people associate real big fish with the live show now, so I think it's only appropriate that you know we have this live album That's available And It's a good thing too because that means we can tour a lot even if someone even if someone saw us play four or five months ago

8:43You know there's a good chance they'll come back again just because it's a fun show to watch you know, and it's not it's always different Yeah, it's not the same show It's always and it's funny because oftentimes when when there's things that we do on stage afterwards Like if if if it doesn't go exactly right all I have scared I'll say so should we do it at this? You should we do it like this like when you say that you guys know just I don't want to take the spontaneity out of it Just do it whatever because it's like and I think that's cool You know cuz you see a lot of shows there they can be really contrived and people do the same thing every night Even to the point where they say the same exact Which is a shame well, it's like we went we went on tour with a band that will Renee I won't name the name, but it literally it was like every single night. It was the same thing. It was just like a lot of us do that

9:34When we're on the work tour in 97 Social D was on it and Mike Ness would say the same speech really for word like I could lip sync the speeches I gotta be walking along the work tour and all social D's playing here's this punk rock speech and I could mount the whole thing I mean, there's you can't you can't say that that's bad though just because I mean right people have a message Or they just have a show that they're yeah putting on you know, it's like Like a play or a musical change the line sure okay. Yeah, but it's nice. Well for our fans I like to be more spontaneous a lot of like to just see what happens with Yeah, a lot of our friends come to the a lot of the shows especially like when we play like the Northeast in America Because a lot of the gigs are so close together kids will come to four or five of the shows

10:22So it's like it's almost kind of like we feel like we should like oh we better we better Even for me like I try to mix it up just for the other bands because I know the other bands around tour And I know that when I'm on tour the man like I'll go watch him and I'll get bored and I'll be like I'll do the same thing every night like I want that's the The best compliment it's from another band that's on tour with us has been like I watch you guys every night cuz I don't know what you're gonna do But it's always changing to yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of songs that we do play every night So you got to play like the favorites and the other guys the fans will We get our throw. Oh yeah for every tour we try to like Rotate in some songs that we haven't played for a long time and new covers and that kind of stuff

11:07What is the there's like I love me first don't get me wrong There's one of my favorite bands in the world But I mean there's an obsession with covers for punk and scob bands more so than any other genre music you could say I don't know It's just no it's I think it might be there's just so many fun weird things that a scob and can do with a song it's Seriously, but it's almost like because it cuz you know there's like a little a song with a little melody like we did boys don't cry There's a little guitar thing. Oh that make a horn line. I don't know you can make it really make it your own Like to the point where I think a lot of kids don't even realize Take on me is a cover. Yeah, there's a lot of kids don't even realize it's a cover They're just like man what like when I think even a kid like a couple weeks ago like when did you guys write that song take on me?

11:54I love that song. It's 1984. Yeah exactly The new record you put it out a month before online Yeah, and then put it out in the CD source. I thought that was really cool Give it to people why aren't more bands doing that you know what because you can more bands are I've been noticing that a lot more and more Vans are and I think it's gonna come out on the internet first anyway Yeah, so they might have been so I think it's gonna be a trend that's gonna start you're gonna start seeing that a lot more eventually it'll be Internet only so you know I hope not I mean I look in the albums to yeah, I think the younger kids like they just we don't care They don't know you know like we grew up buying the record You know you get the CD or the album and you take it home and you open it up. Yeah The kids it's all in the they don't even really yeah

12:41It's like especially like wait 15 more years. It's like they won't even realize that you could it's like if you've never even had it Yeah, I touched you and you did what? Mm-hmm came in a box What's a record store? Tower is closing. Yeah, that's nuts. Yep. Somebody's telling you. Yes, you drive around especially in Southern California You see all the you'll see a big going out of business It's so weird to think that like especially like the legendary tower records like on the Sun Central it will be gone Yeah, and it's it's kind of weird to think but I guess I was kind of bummed though because I went in thinking you can buy a Bunch of CDs for really cheap price, but I found out because I gave it was like this this liquidator that Bought tower records I think what happened was they told them not to put big sales on because I think the liquidator wants to sell the CDs themselves

13:32To their own like website So they'll get all the money for it. That's insane, but but but speaking of you know Just albums going out and people just buying everything online and kids downloading stuff It's really weird because I noticed lately especially like you don't know what songs people are gonna know Mmm like you don't know what people are gonna be familiar with because like a big hit album turn the radio off You figure every real big fish fan knows turn the radio off every song Not true. No, no, no even songs have been popular for the last 10 years that we've been playing this There's a whole new crop of people who just you know every few years copied their friends playlist from their iPod or whatever It's got downloaded certain songs and and they only know just random songs

14:17Like they're not playing that the whole album anymore and people don't know. Yeah, it's really weird It's hard to tell like and it changes from city to city. Yeah, it's true like yeah Yeah, you focus different people different yeah, you get turned on in different tunes different ways I mean there's a million mix tapes with us going around. Yeah, I like a tape is the Thing that we used to have a lot You release your first up on tape The first two albums were on cassette team Wow Day to old we are Yeah, I mean you know we have the standard, you know, we have a good five or six to Pasta here everybody knows the song which are what the songs that there's videos for okay? People knowing those songs

15:03Usually Sometimes they don't they don't know this well the great thing about the internet and especially like our Myspace because we have so much Content on our Myspace all the videos are there. I think what happens is even though something may not get played on TV or whatever You could still go to the website and see the videos and that's I think a lot more fun than just listening to a song You can associate you know, you know, you can look at something and hear it at the same time But yeah, it's exactly so that that ends up making it so yeah all the videos people know those songs, but they run out music TV And radio in a few years I Always yeah, no, it'll always be I think Radio and music televisions. Well, you know that'll always be around but yeah, cuz I think people I don't know

15:49It helps people discover stuff that they wouldn't I don't know I think it'll be around for a while I Yeah, cool really fish here in Ireland. Thank you so much. Thanks. Thank you. Awesome

Part 3

0:00Do you have a new Whistler in the band start with that a new Whistler? Yeah, I Don't know nobody in the band can whistle Nobody even make a whistle. So I want to do that. I want to do that one song the blow my whistle baby Don't know it That's all right. You will it's a huge hit on the radio. You come from is it on pop radio right now It's probably why I don't know yeah, but you do that's interesting. I know how you listen to pop radio That's right. I'm hip. I know what's going on All the genres you coming into nice. I made it you listen to pop radio to seems Aaron listens to poverty You know Actually over the last I don't know maybe three or four. Yeah, listen to it. I said I know what's on it gotcha

0:48I know all the songs. Yeah, I actually I read the trades I Guess that the samplers and the reports from the record labels What's hot and what's not I actually listen to pop radio pop rock radio Yeah, I think I just got tired of my own music collection and I didn't have any money for more records Yeah, so I just started nine songs on his iPod. Yeah, but they're really good Matthew's band. Yeah Hey Carter's a great drummer. They're all Dave Matthews man and one Kesha song. Oh, there you go. You gotta change it up from time to one from the second record that sucks. Yeah TikTok This is everybody else's that song So we're talking about the people songs. How do you how do you curate the covers? Why those two for this record?

1:36newest record We get that question a lot and it's okay never mind hard answer Everyone is an asshole why? There really is no reason for the covers You just use this tune to the tune's other people the banding We're just writing an album and it just I was like oh I remember this song. I think I want to cover this The but if you who typically brings them in yeah, yeah, Aaron's Aaron is the brainchild the the brain brain daddy and then the Visionary child the visionary of the band the musical musical mastermind I don't know. I mean, I think well, I don't know at least online. There's no master plan for the covers It's just yeah, don't you dig you like hey, let's try well

2:25Just popped up as far as the promise goes That was literally out of nowhere We were tracking backing vocals for one of the songs and we were trying to have everything already recorded Yeah So we were trying to get just like the pitch for like we were trying to find whatever note whatever that we needed to start with and our saxophone player has the Application on his iPhone where you can have a little piano. Yeah, and so he just stumbled on to that little melody that No, I asked if he could knew how to play that and he'd never heard that song is like But no, but it was but but he just happened to kind of play the melody and you're like oh, do you know that song? And I think he was like what song that's right and then literally like and then I think within Within 24 hours since you've never heard your life. You have to play it for the rest of your life Yeah, so I think within 24 hours we were recording that song so that was very spontaneous

3:14And also I think um, you know, I think The arrangement that we do of the song I think it kind of helps round out the rest of the album as well Yeah, cuz it's like Obviously, I think our fans really enjoy our fast crazy chaotic music, but I think as far as the For those few people out there who still listen to records in their entirety. We're in a groovy reggae Yeah, I think I think it helps to round out kind of you know, it kind of helps paint it, you know You can see the whole picture, you know, it's talking about groovy reggae. What did I write down? I can't remember hiding in my headphones. Oh, yeah, that's got a different groove to it for you guys. Yeah Little fast. I don't even know what you call it pitching the vocal of the girl or whatever that is That is her real voice. Oh, she sounds like a chipmunk Everyone says everyone's like you put that stupid vocal effect on a girl's voice

4:01I Am very big and I like chipmunk voices mine, but the rest of the song. That's the girl's actual voice Her name is Layla. She's from Sonic Boom 6 What is something from 6 another band? They're from the UK. Yeah, she sounds good. They're like so how did that song come together? That that is a different The other guy too is Barney Boom from Sonic Boom 6. They would just ban our friends tour with us They kind of do a lot of rapping Rap reggae metal. Yeah, you thought it'd be cool to just change things up for 10 I Only could come up with the chorus for that song. So I was like maybe I'll get some guests on Okay, you're laziness Yeah, I guess I never thought of that you're only singing in the in the chorus is the quote-unquote. I don't know where to go with this I'm gonna get someone else to do it. I wrap on it. Cool the ranks for the pilfers is on it too

4:50It's a lot of you guests, but it seems to yeah It's it's exciting because I think it's the most like I guess I don't know if cosmopolitan is the right word But I mean it's we got a little more adventurous on this on this album Then we have in the last few years on recording projects some of the recording projects We just kind of because we're always recording in between tours sometimes like we have it We can I think at least from my perspective then again I'm only coming in for a few days at a time to do drums but like it's but like we work very quickly and even we did work very quickly in this record, but You know I think the because it's the first album of original material that we put out in a few years You know, I don't know if it was a kind of think it was a conscious effort, but it just It just do it really fast. No, it's just sort of to have the

5:37Don't mind it's fine, but to have you know just kind of have that well roundedness of the right I don't know just this seems to be rounded record the seat the this record seems to have more dimensions in depth Then some of the past recordings. I've been involved with it. He's been reading a book about producing Oh, okay, all the bullshit terms down right now. No seriously though Do you want to be a producer is that you want to start producing these? Well, it's funny be well I've been I've been I've been I've been talking with some of my producer friends and just kind of like Reading interviews and things things of that nature and the only thing I'm getting out of all these You know encounters. I'm having is that I don't know if I bands is on that is that I don't know if I want to be a producer because that just seems like a boy That seems like a lot of work It's a lot of work and a lot of frustration to deal with yeah music

6:25We're dealing with egos and things like that dealing with different musicians and personalities and egos and yeah creative ideas and Unfortunately because of the industry that we are now currently involved in as far as record sales are you know really low at this point So as it used to be in the days producers would make their money from like getting points on a record Yeah, whereas nowadays points don't really mean anything because a band you know band like even like real big fish We can go on tour and you know sell a thousand tickets a night or wherever you know and do great on selling merchandise But you know we may only sell 30,000 records to a producer that's not very enticing to come produce a record But it works out for us because you know all our you know records are kind of self our self produced anyway

7:10So they are self-produced. Yeah wasn't there I Guess that's going back. We'll never mind what didn't do it from when we'll go produce like the first few The bass player from one go boingo John Abilah he produced the first two albums. Oh, so that's going back Turn the radio off and what it works on Yeah, no, I read on the Wikipedia page something was coming into my brain We just saw him it came to our Anaheim ship He is a ball of sunshine orange County yeah, most of those the greater orange County is so we're in OC Well, I live depends on who you ask well the two of you I live in the city I'm just orange the city born in a secret undisclosed location. All right Stockers can find me

8:01He lives in the sewers Sewers underneath orange So Ron was saying you basically record in between tours as far as I know you guys don't really take much breaks in terms of tour You guys are basically always on the road So what is their time to write these songs you writing on the road? I'm always writing in my head. You're always right Do you write things you can't write in his headphones writing in my head? How do you write is it a phone thing is depending on paper I? Just keep a million little ideas in my head all the time He's like a running band's anti-pack every once in a while enough for a little part van van or Ronnie van The little parts will come together and go oh, I got a song and then I'll figure it out on the guitar And in jam with everybody in sound check and and it kind of moves from there now no so I will give me keep that song

8:47Secret for years tucked away for for half a day and when I feel like there's a whole album I go all right I got the album Really come to the studio really so you have everything you're heading then make them all learn 14 songs like modes like Mozart Yeah That's crazy and we usually did it in a practice studio But this time we did it like I came into the studio and played guitar and saying Scratchful means demos so and then brought Ryland in them. Okay. Here's the songs Now do like poke rock beat here do something right here and you come up with the drum parts And you know like with the kids in each thanks The kit or the kid the kit well the whole kid but the kick for some reason stuck out for me I was the kick drum sounds great, you know, you know, I love about your new record the kick

9:38I was trying to be complimentary thank I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I'll take what I can get But it was really was cool just Being able to focus on each person's part as they came up with it Because a lot of times in the loud rehearsal studio. You don't hear very well. What's going on? Hmm? There's a lot of racket. Yep. What is your room everyone's playing quietly? Yeah, so in the past building it as a demo instead of just jamming is really This new method seems to work. Yeah, the only thing is the next time we need to make sure we we make We need our demos to be shitty or sounding. Yeah, cuz then what happens is you make you should have heard the demos They're way better than the record. See that's what he thinks. I hear them from a lot of bands But yeah, they you get the demo. I just think so it's like the one lesson we learned I think for me

10:26It's like I'm gonna start playing really horribly on the demos and just get the main idea down and like Tune the drum make the drums really out of tune and get cracked cymbals When it comes time to do the drums for real Oh my god, it's so cool. Yeah, exactly like it just had this cool Garage rock brah Garage sky garage sky From Skarina rock to garage sky you like ten years too late on that Past that's what yeah boy, you know the garage guy. I like that Scary Scary truck The darkness was here last night. I sat in this very booth talking to Justin on Monday

11:11Was it last night or two days ago actually Monday? I love the darkness. I heard they influence one of the songs Yeah, how so tell me that story and I will write it up I just really love the darkness. I love this bad. I wanna ride something like that. It's a lot. Yeah, exactly I mean, it just kind of turned out readers are gonna love reading it turned out It's not a day to break my heart. It just kind of sounded a little bit like Kind of rock vibe The darkness it doesn't really I don't sing in a high voice It's just got a riff Riff rock that reminds me of a darkness type song It's a very fascinating story. I'll start again from I would say I would say I would say lyrically though It definitely kind of resonates in that vein of the darkness kind of that

12:00Maybe funny type lyrics Or I would think are funny good at talking about what I do Okay Usually I do this by myself when I come up with much better answers. He's better I make up much better We'll answer for you for me. How did you write that song? Well? I can tell you what he did He doesn't know it No, what did you talk about with Justin Hawkins cool? He was really cool. He had two cigarettes We were like how do you get spoken here at once? No one after the other he's like fuck it. I'm in the doctor Exactly, I was like, oh you can do whatever you want man. No, we're gonna talk. He's a vegan. We talked about food a lot Songwriting he would talk about his songs that he wrote. He's a vegan. He's a vegan smoker

12:45He's a vegan. Yeah weirdly enough alcoholic chain smoker vegan. No, no rehab done with all that That's right. Yeah, that's right Anywho, it's about you guys. So does that mean he drank like 10 cups of coffee during the interview tea? I love your tea. We've also been on tour like right alongside Maryland Manson like every night He's here Tuesday before us or after us. He's coming here in a few days. I'm pulling to the parking lot and their bus is still there Yeah So there's that You gotta talk to tell me about the humor in Scott. Why does it let me drop more names of people? I've never met like the need to be there or why why does it? Why has it always been? Especially with you with you guys. There's always humor. I mean your drum kit says everyone's an asshole. What are you talking about? All your songs have a cheekiness to them. That's true. I

13:35Don't know. I think probably because Scott is so fun sounding. Yeah So it's joyous unless you're actually like the third waves got got the most silly third wave would be you guys Yeah, you know the little scott punk through the early 90s and everything when that music because the first in Jamaica It was more it was fun, but it was more soulful. I'd say It's more about loving your girl and also in the in the supposed to this record. Yeah, 80 And in the 80s it was more it was faster, but it was still cool Like I had more attitude, but then somehow in the 90s scott became really silly I think I think a lot of it had came from The whole kind of maybe shoegazing grunge era where people are just making

14:23I'm really sad music and you should listen to me because I'm sad and I'm very serious So I think that can have a direct effect on because I think people just get tired of that and after a while people Just want to go out and have fun. They're tired of being sad. I Think that can definitely have an effect on How you know that next wave of Scott? I think a lot of it just became like Banquet kids and like nerdy kids and we don't have that many problems, you know, maybe we don't fit in but you know We're not that sad about anything Yeah, but we are angry just like we're angry, but we are we're not sad, but we are angry like to have fun Why Scott no, no something about the humor in it something about for my own personal

15:13My own songwriting I think That always helped me like if those I'm really shy and like I couldn't get up in front of people and be serious So if I make it a joke Then it's not as hard. It was like I'm just kidding. I mean, so yeah That's what it was gonna be that was gonna be about the humor and writing Do you try and not force it in but Purposely put it in that just when writing that's just what comes out of me. I think you just come down. Yeah, it's what comes out of me This happens naturally which is which is the best way to make music personality, you know You kind of fucked up dark. I mean if silly wacky if you tried to write any other You know any or if anybody tried to create any way like where they're trying to force something people are gonna see into that right away

16:02I think you can tell which of our songs are more made up and like trying to do something a certain way and then which ones Came from my heart What would be the most heartfelt song on this record all I don't know why this is the record all the sudden That's why this album so good is because I didn't try to be somebody else or try a different thing. I just do what I do Do what I do best. I like it right really depressing happy I would say the most heartfelt angry even though I didn't write it for me would probably be I know you too well Because when you really listen to the lyrics like it's kind of funny. You're like actually that's a very I don't I don't know if I'd say deep but like it's I don't know the sentiment everybody's been through that Yeah, it's like there's not it's actually I feel like you could put those lyrics to like some cheesy Coffee house acoustic player guy and if you'd arranged them a different way, you know

16:50It would it's the same thing, you know, it's like yeah, it's that those Those ups and downs that you go through in relationships and those times when you hate each other, but you don't want each other to Yeah, there's a lot of that on this album too. It's more about relationships and Love problems instead of love problems hate being in a band I Have to wake up. I don't even know how that became a thing Yeah, hate being in a band or hate the just right about being in a band. I guess writing about being in a band's Previous records. Yeah, much else to say I remember right about being yeah, I feel bad about that Don't feel bad why feel out because I don't want to discourage people from starting down I think they understood it was I believe I asked you that question. You were like no we just ingest I

17:37Don't think you said well. I don't know what that word means It's just move on See which is good why people think I'm joking because at the time it was not I wasn't in the band at the time So so I'm in the clear, that's right, but you came in like it was that tour. Yeah, well It was right when the right on out. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah Speak speaking to come into the band other members I know Scott's gone now and now you have a saxophone which I learned on Wikipedia is the first time in like almost 20 years So how was that change the alarm dynamic? I? The saxophone have things I love it's got notes place notes It's brass a little press They're all brass instruments no, but I mean it's They have some kind of metal. I don't know anything about horns

18:25I think I think it definitely rounds out the sound a lot Having that just it the horn sections a lot fuller or so I've been told because I'm actually back on the drums And I can't really hear it. I just Love the sound of the sacks ever since For an English beat as a kid. Mm-hmm. It's one of my favorite madness madness So and we had an awesome sax player way way back when we were just a little local band He went off to college and we never really found anybody else That could I don't know the lineup just became that lineup because now there was money involved and it would be hiring another person I don't know So somehow just never get another sex player the politics of being in the band Yeah, and we didn't even know but luckily this guy can sing really high just like Scott

19:14Here The other guy yeah Appleton How are you playing the I mean you said this is the fastest record since like the old old ones Energy yeah, there's definitely a lot more It's going back to that days of being a teenager and not really knowing what you're doing, but you're just going for it I like said we know what we're doing except we do know what we're doing so We're spent all these years learning our instruments so we can forget all about technique Yeah, definitely recording the record was definitely a challenge for me just cuz yeah, there's just Toons are way faster than Then what happens to a lot of bands they start to slow down over the years their songs start to get sleepier

20:00Yeah, lay it back when's it gonna happen? I don't want that to happen But I feel I feel like it was starting to happen even though maybe didn't notice it I mean I mean I'm happy I feel like to be in a band like you know where The music allows me the drummer to just kind of go off and it doesn't sound inappropriate Because there's all sorts of music you could play where if I did what I did in that music people would be like So Unless these guys just aren't saying anything I'm able to get away with a lot of stuff unless they're just not saying anything and they're really pissed off I mean, I don't know but no it's secretly it's a lot of fun playing these new songs not only Just because it's new songs and you know It's because we tour as much as we do it's nice to get new material and it's set but but just

20:49the just the actual songs themselves are a lot of fun to play as a for as a drummer pretty amazing that That's not me. I mean, it's amazing. I'm always amazed when somebody likes one of our songs, but the reaction to this album Fans like ah they really like it. They seem a lot of most people seem to like it That's good right away. We're force feeding it that to them though. Usually when an album comes out Everyone hates it everyone says it's the worst one yet. How come it doesn't sound really last one. Oh God you can't win ever would come up to you and say that well no one could know It's just what you think this is what people people leave comments on the internet So they're faceless but just like reviews and then Well, I'm gonna run a very nice piece and you can see you look out You look out in the audience as you play the new songs from the new record usually and people just stand and stare

21:37I came out six months ago. I came out six months ago And already sing a lot already dancing that's that is one thing that it's and it shouldn't surprise me But it's surprised be like hey people know the song they're singing along because like that's a good feeling because it's not Usually like that when a new album comes out. Yeah, usually people are just waiting to hear the Whatever just the hits they want to hear but I think there'll be one or two songs that they eventually catch on with people I think because this is Which to the song this record all which ones are playing people love that's great don't stop skankin everyone else's an asshole We've been playing scopes. I wrote you Sucks and they do well Yeah Punishers everything we played we played just

22:24The change up not from right tonight, it's hard because you got to keep it from being five hours long You like you like all your songs to I'd like to play all the songs and there's always people that want to hear all these random songs So you got to play a lot of the favorites well at the same time trying to mix it up from the last time we came around and Now adding new songs in do you remember the songs from the last time you came around? Are you have that kind of memory? That's crazy. Well, I mean we usually T-shirts long play a very we play a very similar set list for a while So gotcha, it's not Like I know exactly what songs we play last time when I figure out that was like last year so we were playing all these Mm-hmm take those out with me. Okay. I gotcha We've done this before but we'll do them five quick questions one more answers

23:12Well because that's the first question. No rotors studio. What's that road or studio road? I hate the studio more than anything in the world. Oh, sorry one word Really hate recording. So do you make sure that you guys report quickly? Yeah? Possible I feel like I take as much time as I need I mean one word answers so But everyone gets them doing this for like 10 years I guess at this point I would say studio at this particular on this day today. I would say studio. Okay, let him know McCartney Yeah, I'm gonna go with McCartney See he gets such yeah, he gets such a bad rap for some great song. It's good song

24:00You know pop songs Maybe he wasn't as tortured as Lenin, but who cares man like McCarty That's do you mean Paul McCartney or Jesse McCartney James McCartney his son Planko cello Jesse McCarty Right now I think it's because I like McCartney's voice better than Lenin's voice. Oh, that's interesting solo wise We're always well, that's not fair because he had so much longer You know what it does is for crap. You know what it does for me

24:46You know, you know, you know what you know, it's the tipping point right or the song helter scalter McCartney kills it on that song That's the song that's that's made my decision right there. Okay when you hear a song usually it's you first lyrics melody or rhythm This depends on the song I think melody it's always different. Yeah song you've written your most proud of I can see you ready drum parts to you. Oh, he's working on his own solo album right now. Yeah, really good He's a good singer You jump singing back up I want to but he He refused there's a couple of reasons He says it'll be in the way you'll have to simplify his room parts and we think our Soundman will turn it off because of the symbol bleed most of the time. That's the thing like a good time most of the time when the drummer has a vocal

25:38Like you go you get like especially if you like get him sound like you're like it's my vocal in mouth They're like no I Was playing with this other guy I was playing with this other guy for a while and I had a mic and I was singing backgrounds and I would get into it every night And then finally one day I went to the to the sound guy's like am I even through he's like now? Because there was one day in between songs. I went to go say something. I was like wait a minute It's in great. It's like And I wish do we could because we need that another like strong background vocal Let's Well, maybe Maybe from now for maybe I'll switch to electronic drums so there's no bleed or anything and I'll just it's a very

26:25Yeah, yeah Sorry we're that's deviated Answers This morning What was the question lyrics melody rhythm? Oh, no, you said favorite song you've ever oh yes, we went through that one favorite song Oh, yeah, proud of That's a doozy All of asking what's your mom's favorite song you've written my mom's favorite song is don't stop speaking Because because there's no bad words that I Maybe dance like this Oh

27:11Man, I really like really proud of my dairy to bring my heart right now And I know you to a whole lot of them really good every song You know that's you like it finally got pretty good at selling songwriting or at least writing these kind of songs real big fish songs What constitutes a really fish song horns written by me Big fish songs Yeah, we're like we've like we've like we've been to song in this album to the Johnny Christmas I just like that it's got because a Beatles uncle's PS. I love you, right? I don't know if he intended that probably not I think he'd listen to the Beatles for the Beatles

27:59I think he only listens it always shocks me what looks on tape and John and and Matt what they don't know like the common things Music Like It In one word That's three words Pete's lesser on Twitter than it's one word Can it be a hyphenated word it can be How many hyphens can I put it in you put as many I'll print whatever you say organized chaos On stage Happy Hornfield 8 That's all one word by

28:47Do you like Twitter do you like the I think the lack of mystery that the bands have to do now Like Twitter so stupid do you really just like a Facebook post? The you that has to be really short What's the point I'm just talking about the whole aspect of bands not being? I mean you're more accessible than than you would when you started right I try to keep us mysterious still yeah I'll try to give away too much information. I think I think it's exciting that there are so many different avenues for bands who Are doing it doing things all on their own like there's so many different ways for them to get their music out to people Or let people know that they're on tour No, I think it's exciting. I think it's great, but at the same time. Yeah, there is sort of that things I think now more than ever people feel like they own

29:37Not you know if they buy a record or buy a ticket to the show They expect so much more like they feel like they own you now I think there's people into interesting people have always wanted to see behind the scenes, but now it's just So common now. Yeah More behind the scenes stuff than ever. I don't know what I'm trying to say That makes sense well, yeah, I mean I I I mean I'm not on Facebook. I'm not on Twitter anything. I still have a flip phone. These mysteries so But I do appreciate What it can do for You know bands or people trying to start businesses or whatever good or bad the band's personality comes out more than ever

30:22So you can really get to know bands these days for all the little video blogs and things they put out and all their tweets and posts and Rants and stuff Which is a big reason why you have like you'll have You know Shows Well, it's like what you'll have shows whether it's the voice or American Idol or whatever they these you know music singing competition shows or whatever They'll put a record out and sell a couple hundred thousand It's not because people love their music because they don't even know what the record sounds like or what they're because they do They're from the beginning before it's because people on the journey with them It's because people feel like they know the artist and they feel like they're your friend now So I'm gonna support my friend, but it's just a really good thing It's it can be a great thing, but it's it's kind of it can be really weird I think for the people actually creating the art you're just like oh

31:11Man like yeah, I don't know people can be crazier now more than ever I don't know it's Was that a one word question wasn't supposed to Question I was I was a bonus question. Oh, yeah, because I thought of it we did the five questions. Yeah That didn't even hurt that we got a lot of thoughts rolling around our heads. We haven't quite put into