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Interview · September 2013 · Toronto

Big Sean

Musician Big Sean (As Long As You Love Me, Clique) chats with Matt Schichter in Toronto.

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0:06What's up players this is Big Sean and you're watching MSN exclusives You shot right through my heart Why you let these hoes to what we had right apart oh, I'm so mad I could have seen this coming right from the start. You should be where be where be where Of a woman would have broken heart Okay, ski smoke sleep car miss text woke spoke lie feel Lisa ill Time kill mom still I got so where you want to talk about either writing that tune or or shooting the video Just like it's you in front of a screen the whole time well Yeah, well the video I'm hooked up with the team Donda Which is on Kanye's company that they were super creative man a lot of creative minds and we collab when ideas for videos like beware

0:55Fire or whatever and um so you know it's cool as far as the song goes my producer key way And it's one who produced it with the legendary Mike Dean And I was in the studio a little Wayne and I was just playing him a couple things and he heard that song It was like I got to be on that one like that's the one you know Is that your little wing that kind of sounded like little Yeah, so you know um He hopped on it and I didn't really want to have another feature on that song I just wanted it to be me and Janie Iiko but all every feature I have on Hall of Fame It's because they add something to the record and they add a different perspective and he added a different perspective to that song So I liked it and kept it and you know, it's a little way man. So it's great So are you taking their suggestions when you when you want a different perspective or you asking them Can you write about these themes or do that you just let them do it?

1:42I'll undo their thing right especially artists like that. You know artists who are a little way I need you to do this for me. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. You know what I'm saying? It's right. It was it's definitely a great You know, it's definitely a great I had a great time doing a video and some people relate to this song way more than others You know who's who's ever been in a dysfunctional relationship, you know, they probably they probably let it song way more so, you know Yeah, last time you were here Big thing happened Buddy thought he saw mace on a plane tune. He's like no, it can't be mace. Mace not come for a Show did he in mace or on stage. Yeah, so what was that like? Did you know that was happening or was that I didn't know any of that was happening. I just knew I was coming You know, I knew I knew Kanye was coming too

2:27because I heard he was coming and So I knew that was a big deal, but you know, it's just it was crazy how he did it for Toronto It's awesome and I do a homecoming show in Detroit all the time I'm only done it twice. So we just did the second one where I brought him to Detroit Drake and Drake and Nicki and a couple other people and it was the second time I did in a big arena, you know It's great, but I think this is the fourth time Drake the OVO So, you know, it's just it's great to see something like that for your city when people come out and they feel so excited And a part of something so I'm glad I could be a part of it. Where were you a big year apart kid? I was a bad boy kid. I would say so I was like into biggie You know what I'm saying? I was into like mace like mace and biggie were like two of my favorites man like Harlem world

3:14And then like I'm ready to die You know life after death man, those were like some of my favorites And I was so young it was that pivotal point where it was just like, you know videos like Juicy or videos like big popa, you know all those videos man like were my favorites You know or mace and you know all the shiny suits and stuff man. I was like That was some of my favorites, but I also love you know, I love Park Tuda I loved that for a snoop, you know got a little snoo when doggy style was out I was super young and I remember playing doggy style at Thanksgiving one year and I got the CD from like I think my older brother and I was planning and I remember I got my ass with that day Because I was like playing in front of my grandparents and they were like what you know

4:02You hear a snoo guess who's back in the motherfucking house with a fat dick to you. I'm gonna you know, and it's just like I'm like a little ass boy playing is and you know So it's just like all those moments man are like classic moments for me So I just I Attached to things differently, but as far as if I had to choose between I was definitely like A biggie like, you know, it's just I don't know why I was just I was right. Yeah fair enough So you're on tour now talk about tour a little bit. How are these songs coming out live? Oh great Right it's my first time performing a lot of songs from a new I'm all the fame live and people are loving them and and we get to come to places like, you know today We're in Toronto, which is so close to the trade Toronto's always show me love I'm like I'm from here. You know what I'm saying?

4:48So it's great to always come back to To Canada to you know, I'm touring with Cuddy, you know my brother So we rip it up every night man. These kids come out and go crazy I was watching the documentary and you see him in the studio on your on your track Are you guys doing that one together live? You got wait and see man, you got to come to the show But I mean I don't give a fuck yes We do that's the right way to plug the show though. Yeah, no, but it is it's a great moment to you know what I'm saying We just we're just having fun man You have a band with you because in that same documentary You're talking about going into the booth with Steve playing the bass and having live instruments going on Yeah, you have a band with you. Do you want to create more with the band? Yeah? Yeah, a lot of shows we have a full band some shows we have you got to see it's like unique how we have it You know, we have like some live instrumentation. I don't want to spoil it But it's something unique, you know how we have like our drummers and everything so it's not a full band

5:38It's kind of like some special that we did for the tour. So nice. Do you want do you want to create with that? With a band for a record because it's a different process than probably what you've been doing Yeah, I mean well, you know everything we do has live elements to every song You know, we get like live bass and live guitar and live, you know pianos and everything on top of every track so We as far as that aspect of things go we do live bands all the times and we do a lot of live bands for a lot of live shows too But you know a lot of people have like bands and sometimes we're just trying to elevate it to like a cooler thing like You know at one time instead of having a full band I have four drummers on stage and they all had electric drum pads and were synchronizing their drums together, you know what I'm saying and It gave like, you know the live feel of a band

6:26But it was really four drummers on electric pads that were controlling different instruments So it was just like a new elements like that, you know, so a lot of people are gonna start stealing those ideas It's like, no, that's all good. But you had it first. Yeah patented copyright that shit. Yeah Yeah Does the beat influence the rhyme or do you have rhymes and fine beats that fit what you want to say both ways, man It's like just like you know bisexual shit, man No, I go. Yeah, it goes both ways though You know it's like sometimes a beat is there and you get the lyrics to the beat Sometimes you have a song you need to beat to it and you know every song is different sometimes you have the concept Sometimes you don't have the concept sometimes you just go in off of feeling and

7:11What's one off this record where you just went off feeling and just like what came out of your mouth? Fire fire was like that. Okay song. I did fire. Yeah was um I had no like concept. It was just like a feeling and just like by the end of the song you were like, oh, yeah, there's a song you know So yeah things like that It's just it's no Equation it's not like equals MC squared Whatever, it's just like whatever you feel right world of blaze must have been it must have been something you wrote up before It feels like that would have been a hard song to write maybe. Yeah, definitely that song This one of my favorite songs and it was a tune. Yeah, it was inspired by Really when I did at the time was my old girlfriend and

8:01Her mom had you know being diagnosed with like that, you know, some I don't want to put all their business out there but a disease that It touched me, you know, I never knew anybody who was like You know where that is when you hear about things like cancer this or that and You know, it's like heartbreaking and devastating but when it's like close to you like that. It's like a whole nother thing man and You know and I could just imagine I kind of more so wrote that song from their perspective and Just like you know when the when your world is on fire and things just keep going bad one after another like How that feels and how we all were feeling, you know, it was a tough time But that and it has a couple other situations I refer to but that's definitely a tough time

8:50But I made that song for the people who need that you know to get through those times and a lot of people have come up to me I've been like man when my mom died over blouse listening to world of blaze And I just want to let you know man that really changed my life and you know, that's what I made it for Yeah, cuz I was either the court of you saying I want to teach and make a lasting impact on people's lives with this album Definitely sounds like it's happening. So yeah, what did you want to teach people though? Man, I wanted to teach people that you can manifest anything you want and that you're your own creators You know, I'm super spiritual and I believe in that I believe in like the law of attraction I believe in manifesting what you want and just letting people know the components are like how I made it happen And maybe that can You know put that into what they got going on they could that could help inspire them and I wanted to give them some motivation

9:37Inspiration and I wanted to be a vessel for my city and let people know what was going on there, you know It sounds like first chain. I talk about How to police only work 12 hour shifts because in Detroit that's cheaper than the bell out, you know be it or whatever but you bit is just like I remember seeing all these things like Happen, you know my homies call to me or you know, I've seen first of all I've experienced I've seen the abandoned houses and blocks full blocks of abandoned houses I've seen like, you know, I've had friends who got raped walking to school You know like girls and stuff from my homies called me and be like man My little sister got raped and all these things about drug addicts living in these abandoned houses It's just crazy shit like that going on in the city man and you know

10:23Shoring in the police hours at the station where we need to police the most, you know and All these different things and you know people could choose to care and not to care But you know today as Detroit, but it could be any city, you know, this could happen to anybody We were like the backbone of the whole economy at one point. We were like the most Great city in America, you know in the automotive industry was kicking in and it was like, you know It was it was crazy to see how I went from there to the most depressed city and to being bankrupt and You know, but all in all throughout a madness I just want to show people that there's positivity there and I think Hall of Fame is overall a positive album Where did it start? Where when was that break that you noticed? The break of just like what do you mean of you realizing it? This is this is what I'm doing now. You talk when I was just like

11:13Well, when I was on a road after my first album and I had like a lot of cool radio songs that You know did good on radio and sold well and stuff and but you know It was like seeing the kids that came up to me and was like, yo, man. I You know, I look up to you or listen that or you know, there's one kid in Denver came up to me It was crying like you might hear old man. I had you on my birthday cake You know, you showed me a picture of his birthday cake and was like man anything you tell me I'll do man Anything dog just like you know what I'm saying like I listen to you. I look up to you man And then I was like oh shit. I better say something that's worth worth while and that that could be Influential to people, you know, I could still party and have fun like I do and like, you know, wrap about whatever

11:59I want but I also wanted to wrap about the things that I believed in man because I'm a positive dude I'm somebody who believes in like like I said all these positive things and it wasn't necessarily coming through my music all the way And I just wanted to make sure I incorporated that more on this album. You feel like you did you feel like you nailed it Everything you want to say? Yeah, I feel like nothing's perfect. You know, I'm never satisfied I don't know everything any I don't think anything I do is perfect But I guess that's just I'm still learning as an artist and you know, I always want to be better We do some called five questions five quick questions one more dancers. Okay, road or studio Studio London or McCartney Yeah, McCartney okay when you hear a song what usually hits you first lyrics melody or rhythm That's hard man

12:58It just depends what type of music, you know lyrics melody or rhythm Probably is it's I think it's like a tie between lyrics melody. It's like One and the same I'll pick melody. Okay melody if someone's never heard big Sean before what song do they start with? Fire. Oh, you knew that one. Okay in one word big Sean Legendary Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Awesome

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