Hannah Georgas

Part 1

0:00Well, thanks, Hannah. I appreciate it. My pleasure. Tour's going well. Tour's going great so far, yeah. It's like the first big headline tour for you. It is. It's really exciting to have to finally be doing that. Yeah, after a long time of doing the opening things with the EP and then you finally now have your first record. Yeah. An album. Yeah, totally. How do you feel? It feels great. It feels really, really great. I made the record last summer and it was kind of shelved for me because we were just waiting for this point to release it. And so now to have it out, it's just like a relief and it's also like finally my fans get to hear it and I'm not the only one listening to it. Right. Yeah. Nice. When you came by a studio last time, I didn't know who you were. You just came by and I was like, oh, you should play a song too.

0:49Yeah. And so I thought you were the acoustic artist, singer, songwriter, and then I hear this right there are noises coming from every direction. There's kids singing on it. There's like eight bit keyboards. There's, it doesn't hurt you at all. But what I, what my original perception was not correct. Well, I'm full of surprises. Where is it? It's, well, it is. We met and I was doing a playing my guitar and it's just kind of me and my instruments and, you know, playing with Jeremy and I guess you still have the same. Deal if I were to come play for you right now. You probably hear something similar, but it's just nice to have like a full record to really like show what I can do and what I really want to show my fans and my songs come to life and in any light.

1:36Comes to life in very different. There's a cabaret tune in there. There is. What was inspiration for that? Well, it was just that song I wrote with a good friend of mine. He just sent me this ukulele little riff and I took it and wrote the song and it just felt like that, you know, it had that feeling behind it. Just like really mellow, cabaret, jazz, love, song about a crush, vibe. Fair enough. A lot of love, so there's reading the bio. It says you write about language in your bio. What does that mean? I write about language. Well, I, I, my music is heavily based on, you know, what I say and lyrics and I guess that's what I'm trying to say and as for language, it's a lot.

2:26My music is a way of communicating how I feel and it's very personal for me, so I guess language is a way to describe it. Fair enough. Yeah, the topic of language. Bang, bang, you're dead. You're saying shh instead of shit. I don't know if it's like on the record or it's just the radio edit that I happen to be hearing, but talk about censorship and why you wrote it that way. It's a cool way of doing it, but it's not saying the word you mean to say. Right. There wasn't too much like thought in Besan. I didn't want to say the word shit. I wanted to say shh and I think it's just a little cheeky song. It's a song that's inspired by, you know, a high school relationship with friends and miscommunication and it's, it's like really playing on the fact about being cheeky and immature and, and I guess I'm just shh.

3:16I'm just saying that because I'm being cheeky and you don't want to swim in front of the kids. Yeah, and I had kids come into the studio with me. So it's a good thing I didn't swear. I heard you like a mentor for, for musicians or something. Yeah, I had the opportunity to do that, but the kids, I used to work at an after school care program and I made that part of an out trip to come down to the studio while I was in making the record and I had them come down and, and sing some gang vocals and so it was really cool to have them be part of it. Something like that and chit chat to a degree to have this outsider feeling almost. An outsider feeling. An outsider like that you're an outsider, you're on the outside of something. Right. Yeah. Well chit chat's like that, that song's inspired by a conversation with somebody and it felt like I was very much on the outside of that conversation and, and feeling like I didn't know how to communicate with that person

4:12and feeling like that person didn't really want to communicate with me just more like wanted to talk at me so. Fair enough. Yeah. Going through songs in the record, of course the big one with the video. Big skin. How does that come about and how comfortable was that for you? That, well the video came about the director Sean Weinstein approached me with this treatment and asked, well just presented this idea of me, you know, crawling through the studio. You know, crawling through crazy terrain in the mud and trying to progress through these different worlds and out through this tunnel and to the, to the air and, and I just thought like when I first found out that okay he wanted me to be naked it was like whoa this is pretty intense but I felt that his idea and what I'm, his idea about this and, and, and my song just, it just works so well together

5:10and it really, it was a good interpretation of how I feel and what I was trying to say in the song so. When you, when you see this video you'll think artistic direction or is it an easy way to get those YouTube clips, right? No, not at all. No, no, it's just the good idea. It just abomences the bonus that comes from it all. I guess so, yeah. It was just, it was just felt like it was a good idea and so I went with it. I wasn't really thinking, I wasn't thinking at all about how many people are going to, you know, how many views can I get on YouTube? Right. As it brought out the creep so I would think it would bring out some, some creepy people to show and be like oh there she is. Not that I've witnessed yet, I haven't had any creepers. So I'm lucky. Yeah. But, I don't know. Hopefully it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll stay that way.

5:56We'll switch topics altogether for creepers. To a, to a friend of the shows and a friend of yours Tyler Mankroft who said the whale, who, who gets on the record and I hear you're going to, on a big bike tour this summer with everybody. Yes. Making a super group of sorts. Totally. Yeah. Jeremy Fisher came up with this idea of having us all said the whale eight a night myself, get together and ride our bikes from venue to venue on Vancouver Island and, and Vancouver and just, yeah. Create this big group of us. We're going to play a set all together as one, like just to play each other's music and, and have two hours of music for, for people to come see and, and so I thought it was a spectacular idea and I'm looking forward to it.

6:42Should be a little easier to your band broke down the other day so that will eliminate that problem. Good. I think, yeah, I'm actually looking forward to, to having my own space. That's one thing that I really wish one year on tour in a venue. One year on tour in a van, cramped in a van all the time, you can't really get out and exercise and run around. There's not really much time to do that. So this will be really interesting and hopefully I'll, I'll, I'll love it and I think I will. For sure. I'm sure you will. Are you going to make up that show with Lethbridge or? I, yeah, I really, really, really want to. I, I'm heading back out to Edmonton for a little affair. And so the plan is to play Lethbridge again. So I, I really hope that that will happen. Nice. Well, hopefully we'll see you soon. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

Part 2

0:00Hannah, thanks for coming in. Thanks for having me. I haven't seen you in a while. I know. It's been a few months. A few months before summer before your big bike tour. Yes. How did it go? That was fun. Well, explain to people. Actually, I shouldn't just say before your big bike tour. People won't know what the hell I'm talking about. OK. Well, beginning of July, I went on a bike tour with said the whale, eight a night Jeremy Fisher. And we all biked together from venue to venue, from show to show, all across Vancouver Island, and played about eight shows together as a collective on stage. So we played each other's songs and rocked out together on stage. It was fun. Fun. Are any of their songs now creeping into your set list? Is there anyone that you really dug playing that now?

0:45You're like, oh, I got to start playing that more. I dig all of them. But it hasn't crept into my set list yet. Do you find yourself singing any of them from time to time? Never. Never. I'm sure they don't love that. That's nice. Never. The hell with all of them. We did the one tour and it's finished. No, they're great. They're all really lovely people. And it was a good experience. I especially had a lot of fun biking. And it was just beautiful to go explore. Cool. And now you're back in the van. And if I remember, it's a cool looking van. It's a different van. Oh, it's a new van. Yeah, it's a new van. But yeah, it's nice. We've got a lot of space and we're enjoying ourselves. It's kind of a new little setup for this tour.

1:31I've got just a drummer and my guitar player who's just in the studio with me today. Yes, Andrew is going to play a tune with you. Yeah. He's brought himself a massive guitar amp. I know. We're going to blow the roof off this place. We're going to blow everybody away with her. What are you going to play? What's on you play? I'm going to play This Is Good. How come? Because I like to play. Good answer. Because it's off the new record. And Andrew and I enjoy playing that song together. And here it is. Hannah Georges, live in studio. This is good. 95, 7, the sound. I stand in the heart.

2:25But the not. Hannah Georges, live in studio.

6:05A tune called This Is Good, 95, 7, the sound. I like the 50s ending. It's very reminiscent of early rock and roll for some. I don't know why. I might be the harmonies that Andrew's doing. The Dew Op stuff. But yeah, a little bit. And when it's on the record, it has that kind of beat to the drums are definitely reminiscent of that feel, for sure. The new tune, the one we're splitting and on, it's stranger to me, is not on the record. It's not. Is it just a single? Like what's going on with this song? It is a single. I wanted to be able to have a song that I could kind of have shortly after the record came out to, that's fresh to give fans. But the funny thing is, I recorded that song before, even before I made the record. I was just kind of keeping it in my back pocket as a little surprise, a little secret.

6:51And now it's the new Big Hit song. It's a huge hit. Well, for us it is. We're starting it. That's awesome. You think that's the way the industry's going? You think that's what people need to start doing? Saving a song for a few months later? I kind of think so. I think it's important for, it's nice as a fan, as a music fan of an artist to get new songs shortly after they put something and not have to wait for another two years after the record comes out. I think there's something exciting about that for sure. And so, yeah, I even have, I have new songs that I'm already itching to go back into the studio and record. And I hope that I can get it out sooner than later. I know I just put out a record. But I would really like to put out some songs next year, for sure. Cool. Well, we can't wait to hear them.

7:36Wow. Thank you. So you're on tour now tonight, Horowitz Theater, with Royal Wood. Doors are 730. Doors are 730. I'm on at 8. He's on at 915, I think. How long are you playing, 45? Yes. Cool. Good times. All the big hits coming out? Oh, yeah. All the big ones. We do this thing five questions, one more to answers. OK. Road or studio? Studio. Landon or McCartney? Landon. Most important thing in a song, lyrics, melody, or cadence? Everything. Oh, melody. Cheap answer. Sorry, melody. OK. Song you've written your most proud of. Thick skin. Cool. Oh, the naked video. Yes. We won't talk. We've talked about that before. We're not going to do it. One word, Hannah Georges. Woman.

8:22There you go. Nice. Can you give me a little sound bit about Stranger to Me? Like what it's about? Yeah. Tell me about running it. It's about being in relationship limbo. When you're in the point of a relationship, it's been a long time. And you're not really feeling those feelings that you used to feel. And you know that you shouldn't be in that relationship anymore, but you don't really know what else to do without it. And you're kind of lost. And that song is about that.

Part 3

0:01So yes, Toronto. Yeah. So I rented an apartment over on the west side in Parkdale for three months. And we just got to work. We did the bed tracks in this place called Stoney Creek. It's just like a little bit further out from Hamilton. Oh yeah. And we worked for just over a week there. And then the rest of the overdubs were done at Graham Walsh's place, like on Queen and Ozington area. Just in his house. It's interesting. And where did you get all the band? Because like winter sleeps on this. Some of the guys were just friends over the years that you asked her. Well, Graham is actually Lowell Campbell who played drums on the record.

0:47He's friends with Graham and he also used to play in Holy Fuck. And then Tim Dion also plays in Winter Sleep, who just friends with Lowell obviously. You know Ryan from the last album. Ryan. Ryan? Mother Mother. Oh yeah, sorry. Ryan. He's not playing your band. Did I see him in the CBC? Yeah. He doesn't play in my band all the time. But whenever he's free and he can, he definitely does. Sorry. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. So, yeah, I had, so it was the Winter Sleep Boys. And Ryan did some work with me. Joel actually, he played drums on two of the songs he plays in Dragon Ed's,

1:36also friends with Graham. And then the rest of it was Graham and I. Shadd came out and sang on a song. Where's he? He sings on the waiting game. He's like a really low vocal part. I don't know if you're talking about it. I guess he's coming online. You just got to listen for it. Yeah, well I heard a male voice in there at one point. Maybe that maybe, I couldn't remember what song it was on with the end. So this is all Graham's friends then. Or did you know any of these guys before? Did you just trust Graham to bring you a game? I just trust you Graham. Okay. I put my favorite music on the ground. That's what you chose Graham. And Graham was just like, yeah. And it was kind of like just putting my faith in Graham too as a producer, just being a fan of Holy Fuck. And, you know, definitely the direction that I wanted to head.

2:21I thought he would be like a really awesome, you know, mix with what I do. So I just kind of went for it. And obviously like people sang his praises and said wonderful things about Graham. And Graham said wonderful things about one or sleep. And I've heard through the grapevine that, well, it's like known to be the best drum ring in Canada. So I'm like, sweet, sport. And he's a wonderful human being. And Ryan obviously like produced my last record. So really wanted him to be part of it in some way. And so it just kind of all worked out. Do you have a band? Because you were playing acoustic a lot recently, right? Yep, I have a band. Okay, so how come you didn't use those guys? Because they're on the other side of the country. They're on the other side of the country.

3:07And that was kind of the big reason. It was just like made sense. And sometimes for a record, it's nice to be adventurous and like, I don't want to limit myself to not saying that my boys are awesome. But I kind of like to just take some, I don't know, I just like to be adventurous with it and work with different people. I don't want to limit myself to that. But a lot of the main reason was because I was just out in Toronto for a long time. And that was because you wanted to work here. A lot of the reason why I didn't work with my band. Sorry, I was living out here. But the reason why I didn't work with my guys out west was because I was out here.

3:56Right. I went to the top of that. I kind of wanted to do a track by track. I don't feel like we're there yet. So I still have some songs written. Is it you wanted a guitar? Or you with a piano? Because it's a lot of, like it's synth driven a lot in drum machines and things like this. Well, January of last year, I probably had two songs in the bag and it was really like I really want to make a record and I feel like I'm ready for this. And I made a conscious decision to sit down at my piano every day in my apartment and write from January to August. This would have been last year. And I used my garage band and demoed a lot and made little beats.

4:48It's like far cry from anything amazing. But it was a definitely different approach that I took to this record than as opposed to the last record. I went into a studio and just played on my guitar and was like record, finished. Here's the demo Ryan. Do what you want with it. This was like I wanted to create more and create a vibe more for Grandmas to let them know kind of a direction of where I wanted to go with it. You feel, just the way you're talking, it seems like you're more comfortable with everything that's happened to you since I've met you what five years ago? Really? I don't know. You seem like it sounds like Ryan go do what you want to do. I know it's my record but you're the producer.

5:33You're this big guy. But now it sounds like no, this is what I want. I'm not a record. Yeah, totally. For sure. You don't feel more confident about it? Oh no I do. No I do. I definitely feel more confident. Not that you didn't feel confident when I met you. I saw what I meant. No I know I know for sure. But yeah, there's definitely more of a solid direction of where I wanted to take everything, as opposed to the last record. Where I had ideas but I was just more like Ryan took the reins a bit more. Let's go through the summons. I actually know where do you write usually? Do you have a room that you write? For this I have an apartment, my own apartment in Vancouver and I just write in my living room.

6:19Do you need to be alone or can you write with other people around? I need to be alone. I also to kind of start off start to trigger everything and kind of get the ball rolling. I rented a cabin on Salt Spring Island. It's like one of the islands in Victoria, Vancouver Island. And you know that place had no internet connection, no phone connection. Just like me, my garage band, my keyboard and that kind of like sparked everything to come. It was so helpful for me to just be alone and not have any interruptions or anything distractions at all. It was really like one of the best things I've ever done.

7:06When was that in the winter? It was January. It was the very beginning. Dead of winter had the most sweet cabin ever. It was so pimp and it was so cheap because it was the dead season and it was pouring rain out there. But it was like I would do anything to go do that again. Does the weather influence the writing? Sometimes. I don't necessarily write about the weather but maybe. I don't know, so constantly somber or something. Yeah, totally. It might have something to do with it for sure. I don't think I've ever asked that question but there you go. Did Kathleen influence the record? I did work with her, bring anything. I met Kathleen after I was done everything. So this has been done so it's been finished for a while. It's been taken a long to get out. I finished the record and so I started it last October.

7:54I finished it in finished tracking in November. Then I met her and I met for breakfast while I was making the record. Then we started touring together well after it was done. He's influenced me in other ways. Oh yeah, being a fan growing up. Actually, let's go to the house. What has she changed about Hannah Dorsey? I don't know, she's just watching her play a show where she deals with her team. It's really inspiring. She's very honest and upfront. I don't know, it's just kind of that.

8:40It's encouraging to see because I try really hard to do that too and just do what really feels right. Seeing somebody who's a few steps ahead doing that and doing well, it's just really encouraging. She's a lovely, lovely human being too. You talk to the team. It's for written so it's not. I'm not a promise. I'm on T-biotics. You offer this? You don't have to do this. No, totally fine. I don't know if my readers are interested, I guess. You mentioned teams, so I'll ask anyway. Why Dine Alone? Obviously, they're amazing. But why didn't we work in Tony?

9:27What happened there? Dine Alone, they've been my friends for like, since I made the beat stuff, I just know people from the record label have always been supportive and encouraging. I don't know, it just seemed like a natural step and I just like everybody on the team. And I like what they're doing. They're, they run, I'm sorry. They do great things for other people on their roster too. So, I just thought it was a good thing. It has been so far. It's been great, yeah. I guess it's just starting two days. But they're actually getting up to the record. They've been good. So far, yeah. So far so good. Let's go through an elephant. Open up the record, very simple.

10:13Let's see what I wrote here on my notes. Written during a hangover. This life is temporary, it's all going to end about living life. So is that what the song's about? It's about living life. Yeah. It's about, let me think about it for a bit. How come it opens the record? How about that? I don't know, I just feel like it's very, like my head was very clear at that point and it's very reflective and it's about aging and having certain things in your life be more of a priority and other things that you don't care about as much anymore. That idea, I don't know, I just thought it was, it's kind of dark and the record is pretty dark,

11:00but it's also hopeful, I feel. So, I don't know. Yeah, reading over the lyrics, dark, more like letting go, at least from what I got out of it, of, I don't know, learning about yourself maybe. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of pensive and reflective and just... Do you labor over lyrics? Like do you sit there and scratch out and really think through? Are you someone that, when it comes out it comes out and that's what came out so that must be what I'm supposed to say? There's a mix, for sure. Is there any ones on here that you really labor over? It's interesting, I can write a verse like that and I can write like four verses before I get to a chorus.

11:45So, I don't know, I think elephant came really fast. Like I said, it came like one morning after not feeling so hot, being out all night and just feeling kind of somber and reflective and trying to find hope. And shorty was like fast, I think I was just... Shorty that you say boo and shorty. It's funny. And then, yeah, some songs like enemies, parts of that song came really fast and other parts took a while. And having to come back and like nurture it a bit. But usually when a song, when there's something that's really kind of coming together, it's like I want to go back and I want to keep going back to that song

12:40because I feel like I'm on to something. If there's a song like I said, I was writing for almost half a year and writing every single day and there was no way I had a song every day. Sometimes it was crap and I wouldn't go back to it. I think with the handful of songs that I had, there was a reason for me to be like, I just want to go and play that. That's what I've been writing. So I want to keep going back and doing that. So yeah. Cool. Somebody. Falling for someone, but I'm not knowing or feeling the same way and wishing that they would get to it too. Oh, yeah. I think I... We'll get those feelings. Yep. I had... They're weird. Yeah, they're cool-looking. We had them in Calgary. I used to wear guitar restaurants.

13:25I hated them because people would always bring them. Friends themselves. It's weird. They just look cool. They do. They just not. They look like a light bulb. Yeah. Somebody, I kind of fell for a really good friend of mine. And he knew. We kind of like, things happened, but then he just was like, no. You're my friend. And I was like, whoa. Like. And that's kind of that song. Still friends? Oh yeah. We're great friends. I don't care. It's so funny. I don't know if you've ever had the situation, but you, like, even with past relationships, you're like, wow, how did I ever have those feelings? Like, I'm so...

14:10We're so different. You know, it's interesting. Like, I don't know. But when I fall for somebody, I like, I will fall hard. Right. Do you feel like you... I don't know. I don't know. You feel like you almost need to be in and out of relationships to be able to write about them so much? I hope not. Okay. For your own time. I really hope not. Yeah. No. I want to be in a healthy relationship. Can you do that with your lifestyle? I mean, it's obviously possible people do it. Yeah, I don't know. I think so. It's getting too deep and not for the piece of all. No, no, no. I really hope that I think you just need somebody that's mature and that understands, like, maybe that's somebody that's like doing the same thing as you and I definitely think it's possible for sure.

14:58But your goal is to be on the road, at least for probably the next year, at least, right? Yeah. Not talking. Forget about the relationships thing, but that's what you want to do. Yeah, I think it's something that I have to do. Like, I really want to, like, promote the record and, you know, do whatever I can. To get it out there and so, yeah, that's part of the plan. I want to wear, I'm actually on tour for the next till Christmas. Yeah, till Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, I'm excited. I just want to get better. So shitty. You have a few days off after this, right? Like, New York shows in a few days from what I... Yeah, we have cute tomorrow morning, but I'm just worried that my voice is... Don't worry, John likes to talk. You don't have to. I know. I hope so. So we'll see.

15:43I'm just gonna keep drinking tea. You do the robotic while I make you speak and waste your voice. Okay. Do you really want to be robotic? Because I was reading Ray Kurzweil. You know Ray Kurzweil? No. He's this guy that takes a shit ton of pills and was basically the guy that did the whole age of spiritual machines, meaning like, in 2020, we take over and all this stuff. It's all those movies that we've had come out. It basically stems from his ideas and he makes Kurzweil pianos and all that stuff. Okay. But he talks about us becoming robotic and having chips and plants and all this kind of stuff. And I know the song doesn't... All kind of does with the one line after do about that, but I guess that's not where the idea came from. No, but... You wanted to be a robot? No, but I just kind of wanted to be a little... Have like a harder shell sometimes. Okay. That's what I was referring to.

16:28Like, I find that I'm naturally a sensitive... A sensitive soul and... You know, there's those moments where I'm just like, Man, I wish I didn't like care about the situation so much. I wish I could just shake this off or I wish I could just, you know, walk into this room and hide how I feel, what I feel shitty and feel great. But I think that song was just like just feeling vulnerable and wanting to... Just wishing that I could like be a little harder and harder inside. I mean, it's a man. Being the Timman. Yeah. Enemies, there it is. There's the same one. I feel like you're ready with sharks. That's cool. And on your website here, you did a lot of research, you see.

17:16And it says Barry, UD, instead of Barry, like B-A-R-R-Y? B-A-R, like Barry's... Like Barry in person. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. Oh, interesting. What does that mean? I just want to bury this whole situation. Is that a Vancouver term? Like is that something the kids are saying? I don't know. Barry, instead of like, Barry? I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm wrong. Barry, you do? Well, the word is B-U-R-Y. But Barry is a name. And I thought it was really cool. I was like, I wonder what the hell she's talking about. I just want to bury you under the ground. That's how I say it. But it's Barry. I think it's B-U-R-Y. That's the correct word. It doesn't matter. Barry, you do. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I have a different... So there's no person named Barry that you're... That can do magical things. No, I wish there was. Well, so all right.

18:02Being enemies after a breakup is that we really want... Oh, that's interesting. The whole... The fact of being an enemy for a little while. Yeah. I don't know where my question is. I think like that song... This certain friendship that I had ended and it's like... Never... Never we've never been able to like mend the situation. It's always gonna... I feel like it's pretty hard to go back and make things better. And I've just never been in that situation before where it's like usually like... When you get in a fight with somebody, you can figure things out. But yeah. Because this is kind of something that I'm just... Or a situation. And what's the situation where I was like...

18:48Whoa. Is it easy for you to talk about all the stuff? Because obviously you put the stuff down on record therapy and whatnot. And you're making a record so you have to be honest and talk about your feelings. But then you have to do this stuff where I make you talk about your feelings again. And you must be an interesting position to be put in. It is interesting. For the most part, like... I'm... They're a bit harder for me. Interviews are hard. Not saying that this is hard, but... Next. It gets easier. But I feel like... Yeah. I think because I'm right from such a personal place. Sometimes it's hard to... There's a reason why I write music and it's easier for me to write than... Maybe talk.

19:33Sure. Does that come easy for you to write the harder feelings down? Yeah. It just flows. Yeah. Totally. So that must help. It must be very beautiful. Yeah. Cool. Shorty. I love that you say boo. Why are you... Why boo? Well, I know... You know, I know. I don't know what boo is, but I don't hear it from white people too much. In the pop music. Right. Um... That song... I was having... Just having fun. It was something that actually came... Like, the fastest out of any of the tracks on the record. And I just... I don't know. I wasn't necessarily talking about myself on this song either. It was just more of like,

20:19I wanted to write a fun pop song. And I thought... Yeah. It actually came like over the course of the night. And it was done. Cool. Uh... The Fandissise. It's the prettiest I've heard your voice. I don't know what you did to your voice on that track or what... Wow. ...Granddad. But it sounds like Amy Milan or... What's your name from Hay Ocean? Like... Ashley Ball? Ashley, yeah. Like, it's just... I've never heard your voice better. Wow. But that's a personal opinion. Like, was there... That's my question. Was there anything you get to your voice? Is it different? No. The... Actually, the awesome thing... When I track vocals, I'm very like... You know, I can take after take.

21:04I'd like to like, make it the best that I can be. With Graham. I don't know if it's because he's like, in an instrumental electronic band, he was just like... We ended up keeping a lot of the scratch tracks on the vocal. And that's something that I've never like, especially working with Ryan Gould a month. And he's like, it doesn't exist. Not in a bad way, but Graham was like, I'm really happy with his scratch track. Let's keep it. And I was like, oh, I can... I know, I can sing this better. And he's like, okay, sing it better. And I couldn't sing it any better than the first time I actually sang it. So a lot of the songs are... One take. We didn't spend a lot of time when... Graham and I didn't spend the super amount of time on vocals.

21:50So you must have known the songs pretty down pat before they went in. I spent like, before I go into the studio, I'm like, this song is the song. I want to make sure that I feel really positive about that. When we go into the studio, we're just kind of coloring it. Production. So, yeah, I was pretty solid on it. Everything like the structure and the vocals and all that stuff. Millions. Oh, yeah, fuck. You're cursing. It's a statement. Good for you, though. I don't know why. I just came out of nowhere. I was like, holy shit, good for her. I don't know why I think that when I hear people swear. I'm proud of them for some reason. Yeah, I swear and that's all.

22:35But it must be a consciousness system to write that down. Because you don't swear very often in your lyrics. You're not a rapper. No. Although, I think... Shorty and big. So, why? I don't know. This song is one of those songs where you're kind of punching your fists, throwing your fists up in the air. You're like, what the fuck? You know? It just felt really natural to say, what the fuck? The song is... What's that about? I say... I'm making a million bucks. It's not necessarily about making a million bucks. It's about making a million bucks. It's not necessarily about making a million bucks. It's not necessarily about making a million bucks. It's about wanting to be successful and be happy.

23:24And the only thing that kind of stops you, whatever stops somebody, is just fear. And I say that in the song. It's like my fear is a crutch, a little hell that I live in. And there's definitely those moments in my life where you get the fear or the little voice in your hand that says, well, can you do it or whatever it is? I don't know. So it's just one of those moments where you're just kind of... I'm kind of venting. You say, I'm just going to get deep. Everybody thank God. I see the word God and I start to wonder about stuff. So are you a religious person? Where do I say everybody thank God? That's something about your mom. It says everybody thank God. Oh! Every day thank God. I'm sorry.

24:09Not every day. My mom is very religious. And my dad was very religious. And growing up I was raised very religious. I have faith. I'm not religious though. And I've kind of adapted the way I've grown up. I grew up in a private school for nine years. Went to a Christian school. Here? Like a market. So, you know, I definitely have the influence. I've kind of grown up to have my own faith. And things that I believe and stuff. And take all the good parts of things. It's a good neutral quote. Yeah. And all the other things. The things that maybe I don't necessarily think are hard with me.

24:57Just kind of make it work for me. What you do to me, desire to get back to someone. Oh, you are my distance. I am your peak. I like that line. Cool. It's cool. I like it just to reference stuff to a mountain. Yeah. So it's a very, I don't want to say Vancouver right now. Well, it's very rare to Vancouver reference. Even though it's not. But I hear the word mountains knowing where you're living now. Yeah. You think Vancouver and then it got to be thinking about singing about Vancouver all the time. Right. So what is it about Vancouver that really makes people want to talk about the mountains? It must just be just the beauty of it. Well, yeah. To be honest, I don't think I was thinking about Vancouver when I was writing this on. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was just trying to really like talk about how much of this like I say distance

25:48and you are my peak. I think something like that. You're my distance. I'm your peak. I don't know what that's better. You know better than me. I haven't written down for a while. Awesome. Just kind of describing like how into this person I am and describing like all of these grandiose things like what do I say like a shipwreck my heart's sinking and you're my sea like it's kind of stalkerish sounding and I was just kind of getting really into that like creepy part of the creepy side of me. It's kind of like maybe exaggerating a bit but having fun with it. Waiting in the final track and we're done. Yep.

26:33Constantly thinking of ways to change when I never get around to it. What would you change? My sensitivity. You said that before. Yeah. Too sensitive. But then you wouldn't be as good a songwriter. That's what makes a good songwriter. That's true. It's the emotions. Yeah. And the fact that I don't know maybe I'm anxious. I get anxious sometimes. I don't know if I can change that. Just be a little more calm in my brain. That song is kind of about that. I fear my anxiousness. I lose sleep over it. I fear my ignorance. I'm anxious of what? Because you're not what ever. You're not what ever. That's kind of not anxious. It was kind of going. I don't know. My mom said like even when I was a kid that I was just worried.

27:21I'm not obviously not like a walking anxious worry case. Yeah. But I internalize things sometimes. And I could be whatever it is. Whatever's going on. I get anxious sometimes. That's the record. That's the record. Five questions. We do this all the time. A lot more to answer. Yeah. Roto Studio. Studio. Blenner McCartney. Blenner. When you hear a song usually hits you first. Lyric's Melody Horbitt. Oh. Lyric's and Melody. Okay. Who's two of the three? Lyric's are pretty huge for me though. Yeah. Lyric's. Song you've written your most proud of. Can I say two? Sure. Waiting game and elephant.

28:07How come those two? Lyric Lee I really like where I went. Oh. And I feel really honest and true. Awesome. In one word. Handederers. The worst words are popping into my head right now. Like I'm thinking fun. That's good. Fun's good. I hear these, you know, bricks. Sidewalk sometimes. Amazing. Really? It looks like you're, you want a good one. I want a good one. Okay. Let's go with fun. I have nothing's popping into my brain.

28:54You got me thinking about just the one word handederers thing. You self-titled the record. So does that signify some sort of rebirth? Or are you, why title it just you and not? I thought it would be neat to just self-titled it because I feel like it's like a fresh reintroduction to what I've been up to where I'm at, creative, creative music. Yeah. And I think I took like a little break and came back and felt it was an appropriate time. It was an appropriate time to end the two. Yeah. It was amazing. Thank you. So this is all.