Bowling For Soup

0:00Yeah, checking one two one two one two one two little cheats, sheathing, shefing. Which one does she used to the shafts? Oh yeah, totally. But who are the chefs? The best commercial is that the Peyton Manningman where he's like, you saw this for my brother this bread for my brother. He loves you. And he's like, he's like, good job today guys. Sal Bar was great. Where are you from in Canada? Kitchener? It's an hour west of Toronto. Oh okay, cool. No, we're not there. We spent time in Toronto. We made a video there. Which one? Emily? You know that's the Emily you have back in the day. So we did the Emily video

0:47there and that's when we, that's the first time ever in the history of my life, four years, where we saw two girls have sex together. That was pretty weird. Yeah, we had a strip club. We're just randomly. Yeah, well sort of it's a it's a good story but it was it was paid for by our A&R guy to congratulate us on making a video and it was weird. It was weird. It was weird. Look at it. Right uh, wasn't it west of Toronto where we played the the worst show ever and Brandon Brandon, Brandon, Manitoba. Oh no way, hold him. They just kept on asking us to play Metallica. Isn't that what it was? It was Brandon, where's Brandon, Manitoba? Where is that? It's far north. Was it near Minnesota, Canada? Was it Brandon or Barry? No, Barry. Barry? Yeah,

1:32Barry's in our north of Toronto. Okay, that's where it was and they kept on asking us to play Brandon, Manitoba though before. I know we have. No, it's the lash that we played on the Gop tour. Yeah. And then we drove straight south to uh to Fargo and we were stranded and you guys went and did laundry. Yeah. Then we went swimming. Right. It was fun. Okay, so this interview has started. Yeah. When you started the band you wanted to sound like a punk rock Beatles. Well, the here's the thing that that was sort of a quote that got away from me I think. I mean, yeah, I mean I think that would be great to be a punk rock Beatles but the idea was when this band was first started um the first guy asked to be in the band was Eric because he was such a good singer and I was really jealous of his voice and I thought man it'd be great to bring him in and

2:21sort of do this sort of one two punch like singing thing where we sort of switch off and yeah yeah so back then when we thought we were a punk rock band that was kind of the idea like we'll have two lead singers and we'll write really cool songs where we incorporate both things. Little did I know musically that the Beatles there was more to the Beatles than just two singers and I I found that out a little bit later and uh and I also realized a little bit later that we weren't punk rock. Um so it was kind of a heart it was a hard couple of years for me a lot of lessons learned um why not to pee on an electric fence going through supis not punk rock and uh if uh if you drink Coke don't swish it in your teeth that's a good lesson right don't do it just yeah it just

3:07fawns up real bad don't swish that sucks we're a rock and roll band you know we're a rock and roll band and and uh you know it was a few years into it where Eric and I sat in a in a bar in Wichita Falls Texas and and he told me he's like man the band sounds like your voice and you're right in the song so you should just be a lead singer and I was like yeah I'm uncomfortable with that that's weird and then about an hour later I was really really hammered and I was doing some guns and roses on the karaoke and I was like okay I'm gonna be the lead singer but I don't want to stand in the middle and uh so I didn't stand in the middle for like the first five years of the band but uh now I stand in the middle because uh that way I have access to both Chris and Eric's asses

3:53with just a few steps. Well that's nice. I'll start to show up with a song any song off any record what do you guys want to hear? Um is it one of our songs? Yeah one of your songs. Um I don't know I I guess sort of one of the big band favorite songs is uh is not a funny song but I guess a song called Star Song maybe that's a cool one. We put this song on uh on two records we we put it on the re-release of Drunk Enough to Dance when we came our second single for Drunk Enough to Dance was a song called punk rock 101. Yeah I'll talk about that. Okay we'll talk about that in a bit but this song was on that record and it's also on a song on a album called Bon Appetit goes to the movie so this is the star song and it's a great song and it's right here right now

4:56Star Song bowling for soup talking with the guys you guys made it huge in the UK first and then

8:07it started to happen in the US. Yeah we were a few guys and we said not it can be from I mean to be from Texas and then get blown up in the UK. Yeah it was really strange for us and in fact it was weird because we were sort of over there while it happened. I mean we went over to the UK on a whim. We had gotten one of the promoters of the Reading Festival sauce at South by Southwest after our first single on Jive came out. This is a song called the Bitch song and we were playing a show and the guy saw us and thought we were funny and he was just like hey we're going to bring you to the Reading Festival. We were all like okay woo yeah that sounds great and then our manager called us up and was like have you guys seen the website to the Reading Festival? This is kind of a big deal and you know I mean from there it just sort of snowballed into this nobody band

8:53going over to England and doing the Reading Festival and we went over and did it and it was insane. I mean literally like we played this like the second smallest stage I think of the whole day and there were people as far as you could see like outside the circus tent it was really weird and just strange and six months later we were over doing our own headlining tour and you know our videos were on TV and it was really weird. Real reality check though it's like go over there and play these huge shows and then come back home and go on tour with our friends bands and again it's us playing to the bartender you know it's like it's kind of a weird time. Yeah in anticipation of the of of drunken up to dance coming out actually they they the British press and over all these journalists to go on tour with us and like they would be like okay so we're

9:42gonna have all these accommodations for these journalists and yada yada yada we're like oh you can just put them in the van with us you know and so these journalists were just blown away by the fact that we were still in a van and every night we would get a hotel room and some of us would sleep in the van and some of us would sleep in the hotel and they were just blown away by this that we were still road dogging it over here and over there we were just huge you know I mean it was like we were you know insane over there not being able to go into McDonald's yeah and over here not not being able to be served you know so yeah it's definitely weird but it was cool too because as things started to to gel over here man you really appreciated it a lot I mean it was a lot of work you know for things to happen over here and so it was cool to to go and read what they said you know

10:28about how huge we were over there and about how literally we played shows with with with magazine to it spent tens of thousands of dollars to get someone over here to come interview us and take our picture and we would go to play a show and there would be three people that was great it was insane and you know the whole time we'd just be like yeah we don't really know what's going on I mean we kind of do the same thing both places but you know yeah there you go what do you think is about the UK crowd it but it worked for them first um I think there's a lot there are a lot of things about that question I think that makes sense but in the UK everybody is very very serious now they're they're an awesome music country I mean their music is such a part of everyday life but

11:15everybody's real real serious like musicians are serious the scene is serious tours are serious shows are serious everything from like the marketing of a band everything is just this real calculated this is the way it's always been this is the way it's going to be thing and we were such the antithesis of that like we came in and we're just like look yeah I mean you know we're overweight we really don't care we're funny we really are we're gonna sing about whatever we want we really honestly really don't give a shit but it wasn't that I don't give a shit like we're gonna throw a TV at the window though we will and it wasn't that kind of thing it wasn't a deal of like we don't give a fuck about you it's like yeah we care about you we care about everybody but we're just having fun we're here to tell fart jokes and and people literally I think saw that

12:01sooner than they did here and we're just like oh my god and they just they grabbed hold of it and and it worked and and now I think now in the United States people are staying at their lack you know what these guys released nine records and they're still exactly the same I mean like we are exactly the same as we were in 1994 when we released our first album you know and and we will continue to be like there's a lot of bands that are growing up but we're not gonna be one of them yeah I'm not talking about anybody in particular because I think everybody should evolve into whatever they want to be and I think if you know it's like sometimes bands grow up and it works and sometimes bands don't want to grow up and it doesn't work and sometimes bands want to be taken differently than what they really are and it's like a lot of times for you I think the biggest

12:48example is the fact that so many bands that are in Arjan would get on pop radio and all of a sudden they're like well we don't want to be a pop band we want to be a rock band it's like you know what just put out your stuff and don't worry about it and they get so bogged down on it that it they they just they lose who they are and what they set out to be and we don't care about that I think we're kind of in the in the band to you know be toys or us kids and kind of stay young it's like outside of the band we all have things that are going on in our life that we're growing up about but like the band is our our Neverland if you will you know that's a great I think that's just it and it's like and we are who we are I mean we're bowling for soup it's like you know when I go buy a bad religion record I just hope to God it's our bad religion you know and it's like it's like if bad religion all of a sudden just decided that they were gonna like I was going to be able

13:35understand what the hell he was talking about I would be so disappointed I like not knowing what the hell he's saying like that's part of it for me you know and I think some again I think you know I'm and again I'm there's no specific examples of what I'm saying I mean I think that Bleak wanted you growing up I think was due and I think that they I think I actually thought it was a smart decision for them because obviously it was the beginning of the end and I think they all knew it and they wanted to put out the record that they wanted to put out and evolve into you know whatever else they wanted to go on and do in their lives and I thought it was genius myself and I love that last record so no I'm not knocking them from growing up I just think that because Bleak wanted you to grew up because Green Day grew up and became this now Green Day are freaking

14:20you too you know what I mean they're the biggest band ever and goddamn it more power to them I mean I've been listening to that band since 1989 you know what I mean like yeah like I mean like seven inches out slappy hour yeah but for it was that like we had the seven Gary and I had the seven inches of that but when Gary was 12 years old we had thousand thirty nine before there was a thousand thirty nine smooth out slappy hours when they were just seven inches you know and like I just used to just absorb it all you know and now they're the biggest band ever and it's great do you miss that having vinyls no I don't I think fucking iTunes is the greatest thing that ever happened in the world you know actually just talked about that like Jared and I are we like the new stuff we want air conditioning in the cars and all that you know it's like I like CDs they

15:06sound good I mean I bought seven inches because it was the only way I could get music that I liked you know I mean like I didn't buy it because I didn't have it because that player you know I didn't have a vinyl player in my car you know I like being able to have a CD like I like the fact that I have 8800 songs on the iPod and I can listen to pretty much whatever I want on my car stereo I think it's great I like technology I like the future you know I but the future of bowling pursuit is we're gonna stay the same you know I like how you brought that back right there you do right a good turn back I don't know if if you're listening this interview and you haven't realized this yet we are freaking great at being interviewed maybe it's just the interviewer it could be both I want to talk about girl that guys want limbus get unnecessarily angry bands that's the

15:52whole songs about sure and the whole genre of that is kind of died and thank you for noticing that too and thanks for knowing that that's what the song is about like so many so many interviewers are like who is the girl the bad guys want it's like you're sort of missing the point of the song you know I mean so thanks for knowing that do you hate bands like that I mean I like them at the time and I'm looking back like why did I like that no we didn't dislike any of that what we dislike I think more I mean we don't really dislike anything but I think what the song is about more than anything is just people which I think so many of our songs are about is people trying to be someone that they're not you know like I just think it's funny when a bunch of suburban kids who have really really kick ass equipment and a new van and a new trailer that their parents brought from them uh bought for them like singing about how it's they're angry

16:40at their parents and they hate society and yada yada yada just like man just be real and and I know I don't in fact I'm a I'm a stained fan I think he writes amazing songs I really do I mean I don't buy his CDs but when I hear it on the radio like I just absorb it and I'm into it and I just think it's great his lyrics are amazing it's so real and so heartfelt it's cool and I'm into it yeah I don't think I ever got limp biscuit but I wouldn't say that I hate limp biscuit I understand there's a place for everything in the world you know I remember when limp biscuit were like the you know they it was like I remember this when when hip this this hip hop rock thing was first starting to happen in dent and you remember this too and like it was just all starting to explode it was like the death tones and limp biscuit are the greatest bands ever you know and then

17:28and the death tones sort of kept their coolness and limp biscuit became the greatest the biggest band in the world that everyone hated that everybody hated and it was like you know what like to me the limp biscuit thing more power to them that's like creed you can talk all the shit you want about creed you absolutely can I curse on this okay you can talk all the shit you want about creed man I mean just seriously say whatever you want but honestly I think those guys are the smartest dudes ever they made millions and millions and millions of dollars of putting out songs that we would all hate but somebody likes them yeah Scott stat has a freaking platinum album right now with you know with music that literally makes me want to kill myself however more power to him you know I mean hey I mean I'm sure he probably hates us too he hates everybody though right

18:17I think so yeah he was not an ambulance alcohol either I'm like you guys yeah well I do well let's play girl the bad guys want and we come back on start with the Grammy nomination this is Grammy nominated for all the bad guys want but moly mr and Scott stat crazy fucking head trip

21:59of all time it was the craziest day ever and I think it was weird not only just for me but like for everybody because it was a real weird weird day I mean like the day started out obviously pretty early for these guys because we had gone to the hospital to have the kid the night before because we had to induce we were in the middle of um I can make this story longer and way more interesting just by telling you that the the the like the leading up to story which I usually don't tell but we were we we had simple plan on tour with us in Texas opening up for us right and I mean these guys were about to blow up they're on MTV but they're opening up for us in Texas we're about to take them to England like this is huge for us and we're thinking well you know hey what a great tour I mean we're taking around showing this band that's about to be bigger than Jesus to all of our fans I mean

22:44here we go pretty cool so in the middle of that tour we go to the doctor my wife and I he's like your blood pressure through the roof you got to go into hospital it's not you're having this kid she's freaking out hey you've got to cancel shows I'm like I really don't give a fuck about the show let's go have this kid you know I mean this is life you know so we cancel these shows yada yada yada we go into the hospital that night these guys have no idea what's going on I mean it's a whirlwind of just weirdness for them because they that we go in at 10 o'clock at night and they wake up to the morning to come to the hospital Jared's but they're about to have their kid and they've got radio stations calling them at the same time going hey what's going on and they don't they're they're like well Jared's having a kid Jared's having you guys are also nominated for a granny and at the same time I'm in the delivery room not knowing any of this is happening not knowing they're all

23:33all on the way to the hospital not knowing we're nominated for a Grammy the phone rings the nurse that's about to stick the epidural needle in my wife's back like a knife answers the phone mr. Redick I answer the phone I'm like hey what's going on this better be good I'm in the middle of some serious shit my manager goes dude you're not in it for a Grammy okay thanks we'll see you later he goes no really you are nominated for a Grammy dude seriously I can't talk right now okay but you're up against Dave Matthews in sync no doubt and Bon Jovi all right man I'll talk to you later I hang up my wife goes who was that I go it was it was Jeff Rowe she starts crying she's like why would you call at a time like this you know I don't know I'm nominated for a Grammy or some shit like that we just got let's move on and the nurses are like what you're not here for a good I'm like guys can we please focus here and get this kid out of here so yeah I mean it

24:22was weird because it was like the Grammy thing sort of didn't soak in till later the next day where I was like my email box was full and you know that the news it was in the newspaper and really all that mattered to me was that you know that this little girl popped out of there you know so yeah it was a big day she's never forget her birthday you know yeah I'm not you were yeah I'm a I'm a born that day and she just turned just turned three last Saturday just cool we had a big birthday party and so she's she's fun it's cool because now she can talk to me on the phone and tell me she knows that I'm here doing it she knows that her daddy sings songs for living so she'll she'll say you sing good for for all the people so you make them smile dad and then so and she knows that I'm here after this I'm doing some writing with some people and so the

25:08other day she she went to the computer and she got on the computer and and Melissa said what are you doing she said I need to get on the computer she said well I'll turn it on for you what are you gonna do she said well I'm gonna get on the computer and I'm gonna write some songs so daddy can come home early yeah so just you know it's cool she totally she's getting a grasp on it but yeah that was a big day it's a big day for all of us you know it's good stuff she looks at me using another some casting and something so I'm sure you don't want to play for her but no but we you know what but I'm kind of different I mean obviously we have I'm a pretty weird dad I mean I'm pretty strict on certain things and we're a very structured family everything is structured obviously everything is all obviously to the you know steered to the point of where we want her to be a good person and a happy person but at the same time it's like you know my parents were pretty open with my tv and the songs I

25:56listen to and she's gonna hear those words anyway you know so she knows what what grown up words are and what what little kid words are and she doesn't you know she honestly it just passes right over her her favorite song her favorite bowling pursuit song is is almost or the song that we did on bontersuit goes to the movies that we submitted for Shrek to and I can't think of the name that that I never had a clue now me live it up live it up so she likes everybody live it up and and almost her too. cool she's a funny kid she knows all the words nice you guys have drinking in both your album titles well not both your album titles two of the album titles yeah not goes to movies but the next album probably not even would drink into by the

26:42way we were drinking at the movies I don't know we're talking about it right now we're tossing around some names for the record and I think a couple of us are leaning one way and a couple of us are kind of undecided so we'll see what happens I mean we we haven't really started talking about those kind of things I mean right now really everybody's just sort of getting over the holidays and and just you know some of us have have had a little break you know and you know just sort of about to start getting back into it and then we'll start narrowing in on that stuff but you know basically we name a record usually in Chris's hotel room at four o'clock in the morning someone just says something stupid and everyone starts laughing and goes oh that's the new record yeah there it is so we've got some we've got some really really good good ones and some of them do

27:28involve drinking but some of them don't you know I sort of lean towards one that doesn't and Chris leans towards one that does well there's also some that it wouldn't be obvious to anyone else that it does but to us it does because that's where it came from and we'll see we'll see what happens we haven't started anything as a band it's just sort of in the premature phase which is basically nothing it's just sort of ideas on a on a computer and I have like 25 songs written I think and then but I mean I still have another two months to write but last time we had 45 songs to choose from we demoed 30 chose the record from that and it's weird because last time I feel like we made some wrong decisions I think some of the things that we let go to like to the UK or

28:15Japan that could have been on the record I feel like I wish we would have thought more about it so I don't know it's gonna be true or weird but I don't want to overthink it either I mean they're all good you know you're right if anyone again push you beyond it that's gonna work but you're supposed to be we're supposed to go and do two songs with him and he's supposed to produce those but I mean he's a busy guy you know and I mean he's you know and I love just being a part of the fact that he's you know where he is and if anybody deserves it the world it's him but yeah I wrote a song with Adam from Fountain to Wayne and Mitch Mitch Allen and I who wrote in 1985 we're writing a few songs together and just a few of those things and some of my own stuff and you know it's gonna be good and then then you know I just take all these ideas into the into the practice place and then

29:02we all put our spin on it you know we talk about it and you know it just sort of happens it's weird Most playing another song we mentioned Butch Walker so what's your favorite song you worked with him on? My favorite song that I have a work with him on would be I think all of our favorite song right Last Call Casual though? That's what I was gonna say yeah our favorite Butch Charet song of the band is Last Call Casualty kind of a diamond in the rough I think yeah definitely we we thought from the start that this song could have been a single um but you know when you when you have to deal with the label who's all about pop radio which I'm not knocking pop radio again I don't run from from what pays the bills but uh you know it's it's it's a little bit weird you know to try to convince people of something but this isn't I think this is the best song we ever wrote together really

29:51cool that's called Casualty You called me out You said you're done with me but I can't seem to remember anything at 3 a.m. Happy hanging drinks and I'm Pursuit sitting here with the guys uh two versions of Drunk Enough to Dance when I bought it

33:21punk rock 101 was in on it and I remember the day I heard the song for the first time was in East Side Mario's I don't know if you guys are familiar it's like a little restaurant kind of like this but without a stage and I was like that sounds like bowling pursuit but it's not on my record so why did that come about just to throw that song on the record is that second single We kind of had some new songs I think we were hoping to put out like an EP or you know and uh our label kind of was against that and ended up saying well instead of doing an EP let's just re-release the record you know you sold this many copies let's put some more songs on it and try to sell some more they were a little freaked out by the success of it too because girl the bad guys won't happen so late like the record had been out almost a year we were going for a second single and just like Gary said I mean they're writing it already started for the next record and it basically came down to we had crossed over into pop radio and you know this is all just

34:10industry bullshit which we don't really read too much into I mean to us we we just are who we are but they they didn't think that the song we had originally planned to be the second single was a song called Life After Lisa and they didn't think that that would have been a pop hit and so but we had the song punk rock 101 which and I had written and they were like well we just let's put this up and we wanted to release an EP and they were like well we're not going to put on an EP and so you can either put this on the album that already exists or you can start all over and go make a new record and I mean you know that I'll mid only been out a year like we were just coming off of what we thought was just a really successful year and and it was a hard decision because you know at that point we had sold like 153,000 copies and I felt like man I really feel like

35:00I'm ripping that 153,000 people off yeah I really feel like we're fucking them over so the day we decided it I wrote a thing on the website that said you know if you've already bought our record I'm sorry we're about to re-release this record and if you want these two songs I'm sure you can find a way to get them without buying the record again wink wink put that on the website and I think that seemed to be enough for a lot of people. That's what I did. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think it's cool? Like the illegal downloading stuff just around music? I think we kind of look at it as we're kind of cool with it but we use it as more of a research tool it's like if I hear a band and I'm not sure if I'm gonna like

35:48it or not I'll go download two or three songs and if I like them I'll go buy the record you know but it's kind of painful to go spend the 14-15 bucks on a record that you don't know if you're gonna like or not. Yeah I think with as easy as legal downloading is you know I've changed my process you know and obviously I have a job so I can afford to spend $9.99 on a record download I don't really buy many CDs anymore I mean I've got to really love the band and want to read the artwork I mean everything is iTunes for me and I do it all legally because I'm hoping that people are doing that for us. That being said man I was homeless once I was homeless when this band started so was Gary you know I mean I I didn't have any money and yeah I mean I did go out and research and download two or three songs from a band. Messed was one of them I went and downloaded one day I

36:38heard a mess and I'd never heard of them before I went and downloaded all their shit and I liked so I went and bought their records in the store and you know to me it's like you know and I've always said this it's like you know if all you like a bowling pursuit is 1985 the bitch song almost and girl the bad guys want but I just get it however you want to get it I mean I'd love to have the 99 cents which we get about .003 of but it really looks good you know for us to get a legal download of but if you're not you know what I really don't care but if you like more than two songs on a record go buy the album you know I mean the bands you know as as as negatively as people look on the record industry these days and how we all think that the man is out to get us and we

37:24don't we shouldn't have to pay $18.99 for a CD there are still artists that are really working hard out there you know and you make a living by by making music and a lot of us are sort of in a situation where if we don't sell records we're not going to make music in it you know I mean or at least at the level that we are now so so it's tough but you know you got to get it you got to get it you know whatever cool but I think iTunes is awesome and songs are a dollar a piece and I'm not getting paid to say this I swear to god but I just downloaded all the hot hot heat albums they're all amazing man cheese cheese well played punk rock 101 you got oh it's a song called punk rock 101

38:13this was written in a drunken stupor at in Atlanta Georgia and during the during it on the when the bridge came up I swear to god's true story the uh bonjovi video for living on a prayer actually did come on and that's why it's referenced loosely in the song did you just say did you just say I said it's stupid bowling for soups anyway Jared and Gary you worked with the guys from fastball they're gonna be on

41:28the show in a couple of weeks you got any cool stories I can make fun of them about it all I don't I just I do have a story you know we didn't really hang out a ton I went to Austin for a couple of days and um and wrote first with uh I first hooked up with Tony and I went into his house and it was just crazy man it was like is his wife had like scrapbooks and stuff all over the all over the living room it was just and it was like I mean Matt like she they just had a meeting to the scrapbook thing and his kids were there and like it was just crazy and he and it was nuts and he's like well we got to move we're gonna go over to miles and so sorry let's go to miles and so the first thing miles ever said to me was hey can you move your car and I was just like man this is a great start but we went in we wrote a song and just such such amazing guys but I mean they make I think

42:19I think they're one of the greatest bands ever in the history of the world and they just they're so underrated and so off the map and just amazing so um but yeah the uh and then the next day after that we got together again we got together over at Tony's house and he was watching his little boy and uh his boy right in the middle of writing the music for friends of mine we wrote the music to friends of mine together but but I left with and I wrote the lyrics later and uh his his son made a poopy while air guitaring while we were making that so uh we had to pause for a second so you could go change the diaper book um probably won't find a bigger fastball fan than yours truly or us as a band we're uh we're pretty much as as good as it gets and not just because they're from Texas because they're just amazing are they really I'm the researcher for Austin Texas in the house

43:08or or in your house when you do the interview at the viper should be cool first place I ever saw him live actually first place I ever saw him at the viper room yeah I can't wait I've never been in there so it's gonna be yeah it's gonna be good yeah it's about as big as this dressing room and then and there's naked chicks everywhere Johnny Depp comes out does scenes from Let's Eat and Giver Grave it's fucking great that's where guys in rose god discover right is it there whiskey no whiskey it's whiskey a go-go pretty cool club too want to talk about Ohio this is my favorite song in the last record the breakdown was it actually live or was it done in the studio and just kind of strewn around first I should tell you how the breakdown was written um I wrote that song in LA with uh with my friend Zach Malloy um and uh and I got named Ted Britter we were in the

43:58we're on to our publishing studios and I was just like right in the middle of right in that song I said man I gotta take a shit I mean and like I can't wait till we're done writing this I gotta take a shit right now so I wouldn't I just can't believe we do that I know people's shit Gary no that's weird so do you need to get a beer oh you're cool and uh so we during my shitting Zach came in and he was like you know we should do you know and you can hear him start a peek he goes we should we should like start to give shout outs to people like other people who want you to come back and I'm like what like Willie Nelson and Troy Aitman and we literally wrote the whole thing sitting there while I was shitting and he was paying and that's how it went down and uh what was the question though

44:44what did you buy a version oh the leverage yeah so on the saloon part that is us and like uh four of our friends in Atlanta drunker than skunks um and we recorded it and looped it back like three times playing it live in the studio so like it multiplies itself yeah like a bunch and a bunch and a bunch and uh it was cool it was fun by the last time we did we none of us even knew the words I think it was fun we we uh we had asked the intern Sean hey Sean can you get some chicks to come up here so you know it's not just a bunch of dudes and uh he came through with two I think yeah but uh they were two really good chicks so yeah he was good yeah so uh you know that added a little bit of the dynamic but it's still a bunch of dudes so at the end of the album we do the reprise right where we

45:34actually go back and we revisit that and what we did with that was we uh Chris um you would slept through most of the making of the album uh most of the making of the band existing right he um we were just like well fuck let's give Chris something to do Chris research a bunch of people from Texas so he came up with these three lists and what we did we made copies of them we passed them out randomly and we did uh three 28 minute passes of us just saying you know so and so want you back well by that now that's obviously well over an hour of us drinking the whole time so when you hear it come in that's like the second start because we were already pissed off or whatever

46:21and by the third time it's all the drunken ones or whatever and it's all kind of edited together to make it flow a little bit better but it's it is all real that all you know none of it was put together just good stuff Ohio Ohio uh come back to Texas she said she needed a break a little time to think but then she went to Cleveland where some got a name Leland that she met at the bank there's nothing wrong with Ohio except the stone area and I'd love to see the rock and roll all of the way you're done doing whatever back to Texas I guess I'll sit here and wait to

48:19text you back only for Super Ohio come back to Texas I want to talk about hangover for a second

50:25just 17 tracks on plus bonus tracks most albums have like 11 or 12 tracks and like you said earlier paying 14 15 bucks for a CD one there's only 12 tracks on so cool but 17 CD fits 80 minutes why don't all that just throw 17 songs in there 18 songs well because that well because the the true answer is that business wise it's it's hard for bands to put more than 12 songs on and nowadays 11 basically what the deal is is that you're publishing company who owns the actual lack the rights to your songs when they're played or bought and then your record company who actually owned the songs themselves will only pay you for 11

51:11songs per album so a band who puts out a song with an album with 16 17 songs they're only getting paid for 11 now if they didn't write all 16 of those songs they're only getting paid for however many they wrote minus 11 so the math gets real complicated and it's really hard and and and it's not a greed thing with bands a lot of times a lot of times it's like a delivery commitment for example you have to write a certain amount of your record based on your record contract so if you you put 15 songs and on five of them you only wrote 20% of it or 30% of it because you were in the room with two other dudes when you wrote it and you have an 80% record delivery commitment you didn't deliver an album so that album

52:04doesn't count so it gets a little complicated so that but that's basically the bottom line I mean it's not laziness I mean I think most bands have a lot of material you know that they wish was out there that they wish people had but you know it's it's hard in this industry I mean you know an album for some reason in this world is supposed to be 11 songs and then they want to charge $18.99 and to me it's like record deals should be like look put as many as you want we'll make that the divider and we'll go from go with it we kind of got frustrated a few years ago you know there's three or four records right in a row that we had all bought and you know it's nothing knocking the band it's just the way it goes but you know you buy that many records at $13 a pop in there 27 minutes long you're like man what happened I think the one that really freaked us

52:52all out was the the Weezer Green album which we all just loved so much but it was 32 minutes long and it just freaked me out because I you know it's just it's just like yeah I want to be left wanting more and everything but then all of a sudden then there's a new record that comes out after that you know and it's like now I'm I'm into it and I love both records and believe me I'm not knocking Weezer for this and I think that they probably had a business for as a business decision they made the right choice but you know as a fan I was so bummed because I was like man it's like I want and I want to hear you for 45 I waited two years for a record well not only that it's like you buy you buy a record and I used to get in my car and listen to it and listen to it and listen to it and let it soak in and I like it more and more it's like well they put out another one

53:38right then so you got to go get the new one you haven't really gotten into that first one yet you know so it's hard man but you know but again I mean there's no there's no real wrong decision from the band's standpoint it just you know it is what it is and and we chose last album to to take a break and to or take a risk and and we did so It was cool though weezer though that they threw all the demos from Aladwad all on the internet and said you know she's our songs whatever you think we're good yeah I think that's gonna be the future music based when I think we're gonna do that this time we're gonna put we're gonna put demos up and we're gonna say you know what do you think of this and see I mean it's just now you just you're so in touch people I mean it's it's weird today I uh today I dissolved our yahoo group you know you used to have

54:26these groups these yahoo groups where people could come and talk about you know now it's just it's it's obsolete I mean now our our yahoo group says come visit our mind space yeah you know I mean it's like yeah it's like it's not it's huge it's huge I mean it's it's bigger than we can possibly grasp and so fast how quick that is absolutely what now well it's we it's been longer than that but I mean I I've had an account for six months and I mean I can't keep up with it now while we were making the record though Midtown had just been in butchus studio and the girl Christy who ran uh butchus place was telling us oh you guys got to get a my space you got to check this out like you're not gonna believe this and like we just listened to her do it and

55:12I was like I'm not touching that shit doesn't sound like anything I even want to be involved with dudes are hitting on her and sending her pictures of their dicks and stuff and it just like okay this is just weird thank you so on a whim I was just I the girl that runs our street team I was like just set us up in my space and see what happens literally it got so out of control so fast she was like you're not even believe this and and there was like a fictional bowling pursuit site that someone had set up saying they were us and it was it was out of control too so I mean and literally now it's just it's we just can't do it and we try we try to keep up with it but you know it's impossible I think this whole thing is gonna get rid of the album concept I don't think so I mean I think at the end of the day people will want to hear an album and

55:59and they will I mean you know I think there's gonna be better outlets you know I think that now you'll be able to buy you know four song collections on iTunes or or you know this band is gonna put this out or you're gonna get to see a live version of it for free or yada yada I mean they're good the record companies are gonna play the game but at the end of the day I mean don't you know I still think it's cool when somebody comes out with a new album and I get to buy it and I have all their new songs you know I mean I think that shit's great I think I don't know it's cool to pick up the the album cover and read through it and see who produced it and who played you know violin on the song and who did what and you know you can read through the thank you's and be like oh this band's friends with that band I I still like to do that I think that's interesting I think buying

56:44CDs will will go away and here's why I think CDs came out 20 21 22 years ago Michael Jackson Thriller they used to be gold they would hang them on the wall back behind the counter at your favorite store to go by cassettes and eight trash and you could only buy like the Eagles greatest hits and Michael Jackson Thriller and a few things and they came out I believe it was 80 yeah anyway it's 21 22 years ago that's the longest any kind of black medium for music has ever been on top and they I mean dude how long did cassettes last

57:31I mean they were here for a while no I mean think of no not 15 years because if they lasted up until CDs well eight tracks were rural until what 78 79 and then and the transition between those two was five years long I mean some of us had just converted to cassettes and like CDs were sort of showing up you know what I mean so look CDs hung on a long time and yeah they're still gonna be around but they're gonna go by the way Simon it's gonna be a digital world but I'd still do think that the album is gonna be you know a collection of songs with a collection of pictures and a collection of here's what we're doing right now it's gotta be the way that it is otherwise we're all just gonna be sitting around in a fucking studio jacking out jacking each other off wack well what do you want to come up with next to sell everybody for nine and since you know you know I have no earthly idea I think it's

58:23too but I really don't care I mean I you know we signed a really small record deal on purpose because we didn't really want it to be about like you know what what we were gonna do in 10 years it was always about what we're doing right now what's that fun you know let's make records as long as we want to I mean you know and and now it's funny because nowadays it's like everybody you know well we're gonna get dropped we're gonna yeah we really do we got dropped today we could still make a living at this you really don't these days I mean you sorta do I mean you said now it's because radio still plays a role in the music business you still do have to have a record label

59:10because you have to have money to go play shows for for no money and and you still have to be able to promote yourself and promoting yourselves can be pretty expensive on a very level I mean but what's awesome now is is like if you're in the eighth grade and you start a band you can get on my space you can build a website you can make CDs now for 37 cents you know you can be in Chicago and someone in Bogota can be listening to your band you know we did not have hundred and twenty nine dollar Stratocaster's when we when we first started you know I mean like we just didn't and I mean you know I think it's great I think because of that I think we'll see a lot more music that's great and things will ever be ever changing and I think we'll see a lot of fucked up really really crappy shit along the way too that finds its way out there to us but

59:59you know it's survival with fittest and uniqueness and at the end of the day we don't fit into any category and I think my lucky stars. Yeah I don't like to categorize to begin with movies, TV shows that seems to be where it's kind of headed down from all bands whereas this radio is kind of dying off which is the shame because I'm not going to career in a few years but that's a whole other story. I don't think radio is going to die I really don't like I mean I think at the end of the day we all want to tune into something and hear something you know. The radio in the way we see it now it's definitely a radio in the internet radio but it's going to change but it's it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to die and I don't think it's going to die because look, local radio will never die for the same reason that local TV will never die.

60:46It's the same reason why if you back 15 years ago or I'm sorry 10 years ago even where to get direct TV and you didn't have the local channels it's the same reason why you'd be frustrated right now if you only had satellite radio I mean it's like you want somebody local talking to you and telling you what's going on like what's happening in Dallas right now like what's what's the weather like what's the traffic like what what the what the fuck is the mayor doing you know what I mean you you have to have those kind of things to me I just don't think it's ever going to go away is it going to change yeah I mean are but everything changes you know that's just the way it is and you know it's weird because it's I think it's going to become it's going to become a deal where it's

61:33it's going to be back to you know it's less of like what they want to give us and more of what we want and I think that's good I think great commercial for capitalism that you just did it is good right it's what we want not what they're willing to give us right but isn't that what radios become it's like I think it's it's I think it's frustrating especially from you know I mean from a music fan standpoint but also from being a guy who's in a band who has really worked hard and and who really I think has played the game to an extent but yet you know to the extent that we really want to play the game you know because we really don't give a shit but you know it's it's

62:21weird it's you know I don't understand why my song 1985 wasn't on the radio in LA I don't understand why my song Ohio was on the radio here and not here and here and here like I don't understand the politics behind it just doesn't make any sense to me and you know I think eventually it'll go back to what people want to hear and whether or not Chicago makes a touchdown here. Well let's play a song off your up the latest record goes to the movies what do you guys want here? Well I'm going to shoot goes to the movies we already played Star Song just do uh we should you live it up okay this song that we originally submitted for to be the uh we submitted two songs to be the theme song for Shrek 2 and one of them was this song called Live It Up and one of them was um what was the other one

63:11uh Trucker Hat was Trucker Hat was the other one yeah and um but the counting crow's wrote a way better song than both of these songs yeah totally dude that strawberry ice cream shit is fucking great I love that song yeah I like that song it's the only happy song he's ever written it's good it's good to hear him it's good to hear him like singing another perspective so I'm into it you know what the Grammy performance you're in the formula oh he's not he's not a real good live guy oh he was I think in fact that I think he's can sing I just don't like the whole deal where you change everything on his hall every time you know yeah I don't like that like I like the audience to be able to sing with you I think that's good so anyway so this is Friends of Mine

67:18Time to tell me you've written this song yeah but you've had something to do with all the BFS on yeah it's your favorite song to be a part um I'll say uh two theaters an awesome song oh that's cool oh we should play that one tonight they're going to pursue drunk since you said drunk I'll say fun fun knee fun knee yeah that's good